bickster Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 It's an easy smear, yes it's a smear, they could have reported them to the ICO and left it at that, except I believe they went to the papers first then reported it. It's easy because any ICO investigation will take months and way past the election period. The smear stays until well after the elections, perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rodders said: presumably from the RLB acolytes, I swear labour has no interest in actually governing. Dipsticks. Nobody will remember what this piddling little tiff is in 4 months, let alone in 4 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Nobody will remember what this piddling little tiff is in 4 months, let alone in 4 years. I wouldn't bet on it. Expecting to see a flood of applications by marxists any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I don't think they have to, as long as they remember it at the time of the leadership vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: I wouldn't bet on it. Expecting to see a flood of applications by marxists any day now. Well, anyone applying now has missed the deadline for voting in the leadership election, haven't they? I don't think that there are 'floods' of 'Marxists' who weren't already members of the party who are sat on the sidelines waiting to join. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 People on this forum have a slightly weird view of the Labour membership. Keir Starmer, who has basically Milibandite, soft-left politics, looks likely to win the nomination fairly comfortably. Despite not sharing Corbyn's politics, he was the Labour MP with the highest personal favourability rating among members when YouGov polled them last year. 'Marxists' are not a large part of the membership, far less a majority. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 but in momentum, they appear to be more mobilised, twitter wise and vocal. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, colhint said: but in momentum, they appear to be more mobilised, twitter wise and vocal. Just my opinion. It's a mistake - easily made, but still a mistake - to confuse the debate on Twitter with the debate offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 ok you are more switched on in this than me. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 06/02/2020 at 21:14, blandy said: I read ... As being about those making proposals. It wasn't. I fear we'd be going round in circles to continue the matter, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 6 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Nobody will remember what this piddling little tiff is in 4 months, let alone in 4 years. I hope not. Did they hope to get him disqualified? Did they hope to get him "tarnished" by making this stuff up. I'm expecting some issues with ballot papers not arriving with members, that sort of thing, in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, blandy said: I hope not. Did they hope to get him disqualified? Did they hope to get him "tarnished" by making this stuff up. I'm expecting some issues with ballot papers not arriving with members, that sort of thing, in due course. I haven't heard anybody suggesting that he be held off the ballot, and that isn't going to happen. If - and I stress if, as I have absolutely no idea - personal data has been used in an improper fashion then that shouldn't have happened. Data protection laws are there to protect everybody, even Labour party members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I haven't heard anybody suggesting that he be held off the ballot, and that isn't going to happen. If - and I stress if, as I have absolutely no idea - personal data has been used in an improper fashion then that shouldn't have happened. Data protection laws are there to protect everybody, even Labour party members. What data protection laws are they suggesting have been broken btw? And how are they suggesting this "hacking" happened. I'm asking because it's more likely, if any thing has happened that someone who has access to the data has possibly downloaded it, rather than the party being "hacked", or someone left a computer logged on that someone got access to. In either of those circumstances its the Labour Party that is culpable as well as the person using the data. Also what has been alleged that the data has been used for? Surely contacting Labour Party members over a Labour Party election is a perfectly allowable use of a party membership list, so it won't break any consent issues, this is about who is contacting them not that they've been contacted. Also, you would have thought that every candidate should have access to the membership list in an election, why aren't they allowed it? It's like an electoral roll, what dipshit precluded that from the party's privacy policy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, bickster said: What data protection laws are they suggesting have been broken btw? And how are they suggesting this "hacking" happened. I'm asking because it's more likely, if any thing has happened that someone who has access to the data has possibly downloaded it, rather than the party being "hacked", or someone left a computer logged on that someone got access to. In either of those circumstances its the Labour Party that is culpable as well as the person using the data. Also what has been alleged that the data has been used for? Surely contacting Labour Party members over a Labour Party election is a perfectly allowable use of a party membership list, so it won't break any consent issues, this is about who is contacting them not that they've been contacted. Also, you would have thought that every candidate should have access to the membership list in an election, why aren't they allowed it? It's like an electoral roll, what dipshit precluded that from the party's privacy policy? Those are all good questions, but I'm afraid I'm clueless in regards to all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Those are all good questions, but I'm afraid I'm clueless in regards to all of them. Yeah they were just questions, not really aimed at you, not sure why I quoted you apart from it following on from your comment tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, bickster said: you would have thought that every candidate should have access to the membership list in an election, why aren't they allowed it? It's like an electoral roll, what dipshit precluded that from the party's privacy policy? They are allowed access, but only the ones who get to the final stage - I assume to protect members from too many unwanted/unsolicited contacts asking "vote for me" - i.e until it gets to the point the members have a say in it. It all started, apparently when RLB sent out a link to her campaigners that linked to the party's database and Starmer's team contacted Labour HQ and said "is this OK?" (It's against their rules. Starmer's team didn't tell the media or anyone else - they just addressed it internally. Next thing we know, "someone" contacted the BBC and said "Starmer's done a data protection breach which we're reporting to the ICO. That's not a good look. It looks like infighting and squabbling and attempted dirty tricks. As any the allegation to the Information Commissioner is at worst "uninvestigated" and quite possibly how shall we say "unfounded", it should be kept in-house within Labour until or unless there's any ruling, and only then when a crime, or breach, is found to have been committed should it enter the public arena, in my view. It just looks like partisan trouble-making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 What if all the Labour membership were given the nuclear codes, but it needed 51% of them to input them for the missiles to work? Gonna suggest that to my man Burgon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 They wanna eat like common people, Only eat what-ever common people eat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 11, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2020 Thats ludicrous spin So people in North London eat quinoa? The working class are eating McDonalds delivered by Uber Eats these days, pie and pint is possibly the most middle class thing going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, bickster said: Thats ludicrous spin So people in North London eat quinoa? The working class are eating McDonalds delivered by Uber Eats these days, pie and pint is possibly the most middle class thing going Stephen Kinnock MP, son of Neil Kinnock (Baron Kinnock), husband of the former Prime Minister of Denmark, part-time London resident and full-time London worker, would like me to believe he doesn't know how to pronounce the word 'quinoa' apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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