TrentVilla Posted September 5, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2014 Will anybody be surprised if it does turn out that the killer was Muslim? And the second one who was shot dead? Its possible, the headlines this morning suggest that the first was but even if they are it doesn't automatically mean that it has any relevance to events elsewhere. It doesn't make it a political act or the act of a jihadist/extremist or support of those who are. Its a little like if a white person hits an asian person or visa versa and its instantly labelled a race crime when it could just be simple assault and the result of one person being a dick rather than their race. Even if this chap is a Muslim that isn't automatically relevant is all I'm saying. The guy is supposed to have also attacked a dog or cat, that could be the pet of the women or it could be completely unrelated. An 82 year old women in her back garden seems an odd target for anyone wishing to make any kind of real statement. I guess we just need a little caution before reaching conclusions on this. That said, I can't help but wonder if the Police were shall we say a little more prompt with their actions in the second case as a result of the first in which I believe a firearms officer suffered a broken wrist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'm not drawing any conclusions, I'm just saying it won't be the most surprising revelation in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 5, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'm not drawing any conclusions, I'm just saying it won't be the most surprising revelation in the world. I know you aren't, I was talking generally which is why I said 'we'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 It could be. I studied law a while back and one of the cases was a beheading - we had to read through and look at the evidence - was quite gruesome. That case was a drug addict who went over the top when his partner kicked him out, came back with a machete and lopped off her head. I think this crime (going by what we know so far), wouldn't have made the news as much as it as + the person wouldn't have been shot, if there hadn't have been the beheading of the old lady or the two beheadings of the US journalists. IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There are around one hundred murders in London every year (2012-13 = 103), most of which were caused by stabbing. So we are left to wonder whether the fact that this particular murder has been put on the front pages, has anything to do with increasing the public's sense of personal threat, to pave the way for increased military action in Syria. We might also wonder whether the perpetrator's choice of method was influenced by the media's obsession with execution porn, which they have been attempting to establish as the latest casus belli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Will anybody be surprised if it does turn out that the killer was Muslim? And the second one who was shot dead? Its possible, the headlines this morning suggest that the first was but even if they are it doesn't automatically mean that it has any relevance to events elsewhere. It doesn't make it a political act or the act of a jihadist/extremist or support of those who are. Its a little like if a white person hits an asian person or visa versa and its instantly labelled a race crime when it could just be simple assault and the result of one person being a dick rather than their race. Even if this chap is a Muslim that isn't automatically relevant is all I'm saying. The guy is supposed to have also attacked a dog or cat, that could be the pet of the women or it could be completely unrelated. An 82 year old women in her back garden seems an odd target for anyone wishing to make any kind of real statement. I guess we just need a little caution before reaching conclusions on this. That said, I can't help but wonder if the Police were shall we say a little more prompt with their actions in the second case as a result of the first in which I believe a firearms officer suffered a broken wrist. i guess the race / colour of the second guy shot will be interesting .. were plod a bit more trigger happy because he happened to be a little Brazilian looking than they would have been had he been white ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There are around one hundred murders in London every year (2012-13 = 103), most of which were caused by stabbing. So we are left to wonder whether the fact that this particular murder has been put on the front pages, has anything to do with increasing the public's sense of personal threat, to pave the way for increased military action in Syria. We might also wonder whether the perpetrator's choice of method was influenced by the media's obsession with execution porn, which they have been attempting to establish as the latest casus belli. How many beheadings are there in London in the average year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There are around one hundred murders in London every year (2012-13 = 103), most of which were caused by stabbing. So we are left to wonder whether the fact that this particular murder has been put on the front pages, has anything to do with increasing the public's sense of personal threat, to pave the way for increased military action in Syria. We might also wonder whether the perpetrator's choice of method was influenced by the media's obsession with execution porn, which they have been attempting to establish as the latest casus belli. How many beheadings are there in London in the average year? over what period are you talking .... 1536 and 1548 may boost that average a little for example 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 It's a good question, I might have to have a look. The only ones I can remember are the obvious, Lee Rigby (attempted) and Gemma McLuskie (?) the Eastenders actress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I can only imagine that the second one is a domestic gone horribly wrong. I know many residents in that road in Islington as my workplace is on the same road, and it's hardly the place where fundamentalist jihad is going to be waged. I mean, with Lee Rigby it was near a barracks, which is slightly more logical. The guy was holding a woman hostage and I don't really think the coppers had much choice by the looks of it. The beheading looks to be a case of a nutter (Sorry, I've dealt with a lot of mental illness in my time and with others of all flavours and a man ranting about cats and chopping an 82 year old woman's head off qualifies for that derogatory term) going postal. It looks to me a case of Murdoch's lot -not surprisingly- whipping up the angry mob. Even if he was Muslim...unless he specifically says "those IS lot inspired me and I did it to show the west what we're capable" or some nonsense like that....I fail to see why that would be important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2014 I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. I was just reading this by Patrick Stewart, there's no such thing as 'just a domestic' The sad truth is that Cassie’s story is not unusual. Domestic violence takes an enormous death toll. Every week two women are killed by current or former partners in England and Wales. And so, up and down the country, there are thousands of bereaved families struggling to come to terms with the loss of a beloved mother, daughter or sister. In too many of these cases, the police – and other state agencies – have failed to protect women and children at their moment of greatest need. My own mother experienced violence at the hands of my father. I remember the police being called to our house on many occasions. As a child, I heard police officers standing in our small living room saying things like, “She must have provoked him,” or, “Well, Mrs Stewart, it takes two to make a fight.” They had no idea. As a child I didn’t have the words to explain, but as an adult I can tell the truth. The police had a duty to protect me and my mother, and they failed in that duty. They left us powerless and vulnerable. It shocks me that, decades later, women and children are still being let down by those agencies and by professionals who have a legal duty to protect them. Edited September 5, 2014 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 5, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2014 I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. If he had removed her head I'm pretty sure it would have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. he did well to be able to lift a knife at that age .. you sure his carer didn't do it for him ? Edited September 5, 2014 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) should we tot up the number of murders by atheists, muslims and christians and act accordingly? I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. he did well to be able to lift a knife at that age .. you sure his career didn't do it for him ? probably one of them electric bread knives from JML oh yeah, 'carer' Edited September 5, 2014 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 should we tot up the number of murders by atheists, muslims and christians and act accordingly? I live in a very nice, leafy, middle-class suburb. A couple of months ago a bloke up the road (about my age) stabbed his missus to death. Barely made the local news. he did well to be able to lift a knife at that age .. you sure his career didn't do it for him ? probably one of them electric bread knives from JML oh yeah, 'carer' (I hope the NATO police receive my tip off and come and give you the full rubber glove treatment ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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