DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) OK I'm a bit bored and after todays announcement a bit more concerned, so I've decided to look into a bit of premiership history. We've finished in the bottom half the last 3 years and I'm pretty sure its nailed on we'll be doing it again this year. So I decided to look through the premiership tables and see what other teams have done similar. I looked for teams who had 4+ consecutive bottom half finishes and survived in the league. And then looked at what that led to. Coventry - 8 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 9th Southampton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Everton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and then a top half finish. Boro - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Wigan - 6 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Bolton - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th Sheff weds - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th. Firstly, its dissapointing to see that we're very likely to join that list of clubs in consecutive bottom half finishes. What it also shows is that clubs that continue to finish in that bottom half, the vast majority of the time are relegated. I think a sale was very important this summer as I'm not sure how much longer we will continue to just scrape by surviving in the league. Edited July 7, 2014 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Bit of a strange post. Firstly, the season hasn't even begun yet. Secondly, we all know what the problems are at this club - the bottom half finishes are merely a symptom of that. Edited July 7, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Bit of a strange post. Firstly, the season hasn't even begun yet. Secondly, we all know what the problems are at this club - the bottom half finishes are merely a symptom of that. Not a surprise. I was just interested in how long clubs usually lasted while continuing to finish in the bottom half. We're on for our 4th and not many clubs have managed to survive long after doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't think it really means anything. If we go down it won't be because we were on our 4th consecutive bottom half finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GarethRDR Posted July 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2014 Finishing in the bottom, you say? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 OK I'm a bit bored and after todays announcement a bit more concerned, so I've decided to look into a bit of premiership history. We've finished in the bottom half the last 3 years and I'm pretty sure its nailed on we'll be doing it again this year. So I decided to look through the premiership tables and see what other teams have done similar. I looked for teams who had 4+ consecutive bottom half finishes and survived in the league. And then looked at what that led to. Coventry - 8 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 9th Southampton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Everton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and then a top half finish. Boro - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Wigan - 6 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Bolton - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th Sheff weds - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th. Firstly, its dissapointing to see that we're very likely to join that list of clubs in consecutive bottom half finishes. What it also shows is that clubs that continue to finish in that bottom half, the vast majority of the time are relegated. I think a sale was very important this summer as I'm not sure how much longer we will continue to just scrape by surviving in the league. You can always hope the law of averages kicks in - we must must be due a good season soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't think it really means anything. If we go down it won't be because we were on our 4th consecutive bottom half finish. I think it will have a lot to do with it. Consecutive low finishes will lead to an unhappy fan base, players lacking confidence, difficulty signing quality players and just a general negative feeling towards the club. I think all of those could contribute to relegation. Its not like if we were relegated next year that it would be a complete shock out of nowhere. The continuing decline plays a part. OK I'm a bit bored and after todays announcement a bit more concerned, so I've decided to look into a bit of premiership history. We've finished in the bottom half the last 3 years and I'm pretty sure its nailed on we'll be doing it again this year. So I decided to look through the premiership tables and see what other teams have done similar. I looked for teams who had 4+ consecutive bottom half finishes and survived in the league. And then looked at what that led to. Coventry - 8 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 9th Southampton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Everton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and then a top half finish. Boro - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Wigan - 6 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Bolton - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th Sheff weds - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th. Firstly, its dissapointing to see that we're very likely to join that list of clubs in consecutive bottom half finishes. What it also shows is that clubs that continue to finish in that bottom half, the vast majority of the time are relegated. I think a sale was very important this summer as I'm not sure how much longer we will continue to just scrape by surviving in the league. You can always hope the law of averages kicks in - we must must be due a good season soon. You'd hope so but without a sale I can't see it being this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) I don't think it really means anything. If we go down it won't be because we were on our 4th consecutive bottom half finish. I think it will have a lot to do with it. Consecutive low finishes will lead to an unhappy fan base, players lacking confidence, difficulty signing quality players and just a general negative feeling towards the club. I think all of those could contribute to relegation. Its not like if we were relegated next year that it would be a complete shock out of nowhere. The continuing decline plays a part These are symptoms, not causes. The fact is we've been spending hardly anything for the last few seasons and if we go down that will be the main reason - not because of some meaningless stat. Edited July 7, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrinityRoadSteps Posted July 7, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2014 I have just done a quick bit of research and found out that in the Premier League era all of the clubs that have spent 22 years in it none have been relegated from it. So there you go. We will be safe 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't think it really means anything. If we go down it won't be because we were on our 4th consecutive bottom half finish. I think it will have a lot to do with it. Consecutive low finishes will lead to an unhappy fan base, players lacking confidence, difficulty signing quality players and just a general negative feeling towards the club. I think all of those could contribute to relegation. Its not like if we were relegated next year that it would be a complete shock out of nowhere. The continuing decline plays a part These are symptoms, not causes. The fact is we've been spending hardly anything for the last few seasons and if we go down that will be the main reason - not because of some meaningless stat. You don't think consecutive bottom half finishes contribute at all? You don't think it has an effect on the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) I don't think it really means anything. If we go down it won't be because we were on our 4th consecutive bottom half finish. I think it will have a lot to do with it. Consecutive low finishes will lead to an unhappy fan base, players lacking confidence, difficulty signing quality players and just a general negative feeling towards the club. I think all of those could contribute to relegation. Its not like if we were relegated next year that it would be a complete shock out of nowhere. The continuing decline plays a part These are symptoms, not causes. The fact is we've been spending hardly anything for the last few seasons and if we go down that will be the main reason - not because of some meaningless stat. You don't think consecutive bottom half finishes contribute at all? You don't think it has an effect on the club? Contributes to what? The problem has long been overpaid poor players and a lack of investment. The low finishes are a symptom of that, not a cause in and of themselves. Edited July 7, 2014 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 I agree that other issues cause the initial bottom half finishes but then consecutive bottom half finishes contribute to existing issues and create new ones. Do you not think finishing bottom half over and over again creates any problems for the club? You get less money than others, you're less attractive to potential players, ticket sales decrease, sponsorship money will decrease etc.. Its a continuing spiral which is why teams that usually finish in the bottom half 4 or 5 times in a row get relegated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I agree that other issues cause the initial bottom half finishes but then consecutive bottom half finishes contribute to existing issues and create new ones. Do you not think finishing bottom half over and over again creates any problems for the club? You get less money than others, you're less attractive to potential players, ticket sales decrease, sponsorship money will decrease etc.. Its a continuing spiral which is why teams that usually finish in the bottom half 4 or 5 times in a row get relegated. I think we've got much bigger problems - if those got sorted out we'd soon find ourselves not constantly finishing in the bottom half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 Yeah I'd agree. I just think while those issues aren't sorted the issues from these consecutive finishes continue to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 If you're bored tomorrow can you see who's had the most top,half finishes then got relegated the following year? It's probably got the same significance!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 7, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2014 I think it's a good post. Looking at stats doesn't always reveal the future, of course, but in terms of a trend, it's bang on. Continual poor performance clearly suggests underlying problems. Now if those problems are addressed, great. If not, then the likelihood is things eventually become critical. It highlights the (obvious) need for improvements to avoid a (sporting) disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 If you're bored tomorrow can you see who's had the most top,half finishes then got relegated the following year? It's probably got the same significance!! How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 OK I'm a bit bored and after todays announcement a bit more concerned, so I've decided to look into a bit of premiership history. We've finished in the bottom half the last 3 years and I'm pretty sure its nailed on we'll be doing it again this year. So I decided to look through the premiership tables and see what other teams have done similar. I looked for teams who had 4+ consecutive bottom half finishes and survived in the league. And then looked at what that led to. Coventry - 8 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 9th Southampton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Everton - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and then a top half finish. Boro - 5 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Wigan - 6 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 6th Bolton - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th Sheff weds - 4 consecutive bottom half finishes and relegated on their 5th. Firstly, its dissapointing to see that we're very likely to join that list of clubs in consecutive bottom half finishes. What it also shows is that clubs that continue to finish in that bottom half, the vast majority of the time are relegated. I think a sale was very important this summer as I'm not sure how much longer we will continue to just scrape by surviving in the league. You can always hope the law of averages kicks in - we must must be due a good season soon. thats like saying 36 came up in the lottery draw the last humpteen weeks its bound to come up this week There is no law of averages....you play well you win.....usually This world cup has illustrated something for me, that i have always felt. goals are a wonderful thing, but they can mislead how a game has been played, by giving you an instant result and in some cases masking over all the bad play This world cup has shown that " Ring craft" is a very important component in wearing the opposition down and that the "Knock out punch" is always welcome and exciting can give you a false sense of security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 You play with fire long enough and you will get burned, the Villa are nice and toasty right now and trending towards relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Good post but did you notice that the one ever present Premier League team finished top half after 5 consecutive bottom half finishes. We've got 2 more seasons to turn it around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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