tomav84

So wish i shared that...i'm shitting it

same and even during our abysmal runs this season where the majority of VT was against him i didnt hear much of the same from the stands and certainly no villa fans i know shared the opinion...definitely the words 'vocal' and 'minority' spring to mind

known failure? think this is more mud throwing and hoping it sticks (shamelessly plagiarising @bannedfromHandV ) Bruces PL record below. Is it anything to write home about? well it somewhat is considering the finishing places and the size/caliber of the teams

if we can force him to wear shinpads we should go one further and lock him in a room with a treadmill that only goes to max level 9 between 3-5pm satuday and release him 2 weeks later

apart from every game in April other than Ipswich... from what I've seen in spite of his family troubles he has still been kicking every ball

i'd like to see him get a few mins saturday...give him something of a send off

Bunn Bree Samba Bedeau Thor Whelan Lansbury Doyle-Hayes Green (If fit)/Blackett-Taylor O'Hare RHM Wrap everyone else in cotton wool

think this is where the fanbase will disagree. unless someone can prove me wrong, i dont believe bruces official minimum target this season was revealed to be automatic promotion. any interviews i saw pre season was just simply 'promotion'. the debate here is around bruce should be sacked even if we get promoted via playoffs...which i just think is just bonkers, because he has achieved his target. i dont call getting promoted via playoffs 'scraping by' as the end result is the same.

i think it's depressing that people that think that someone achieving their pre season target should be sacked. i'm glad you're not my boss...

nope...ive said all along if we get there, i fancy us to turn over anyone, even fulham

very clever thanks

well that's that sorted then...close the thread

i'm still confused...

i never do as a rule, but tonight i made an exception...11/5 it's easy money

we've known that all along anyway to be fair irrespective of our recent form

unfortunately that's one of the problems with modern football. the players have put in too many half arsed efforts this season, particularly recently, and they know that they'll end up near blameless and their manager will ultimately pay the price. this is where football works differently to pretty much every industry in the world...at my year end review if i'm under performing i would be put on essentially on a watch list where if my performance did not improve i would be out the door. at no point would fingers be pointed at my manager for not motivating me properly etc...i'm paid to do my job and i've never understood why football cannot work similarly. there is enough data analysis out there to back up poor performance (distance covered, heat maps, touches per game etc) the fact that cardiff players will run through walls for warnock, says more about his/our players than warnock/bruce has bruce made mistakes? of course, i dont like the 4 attackers on the pitch for the last 20 mins anymore than anyone else, but he shouldn't be in the position where he has to do that in the first place and if the players had put away these piss poor oppositions earlier he wouldnt have to

it is, and the players need to realise that...

i dont fancy our chances against anyone right now. teams will be looking at us and saying "they're catchable" and if millwall need a win last game of the season to take our playoff place i know where i would put my money

unfortunately we cannot use that line anymore sir....the stadiums could be empty every week and they would still be paid handsomely

right now i dont feel much better about this lot than the garbage that took us down. agree with you on albert and snod. irrespective on how folks feel about bruce, surely everyone must agree this lot aren't giving 100%, and if they somehow get through a 2 leg playoff semi final i'll be amazed

call me a sentimental old sod but i can't get on board with the dislike for him. i agree, the way he let himself go during our relegation season does take away his rights to any kind of testimonial, grand farewell etc, but some of my happiest memories as a villa fan have come from watching him and young tearing oppositions apart. it wasn't just vs blues, he was unplayable on his day i know i'm in the minority, but i'll have more good memories than bad of him...good luck to him wherever he ends up

that's an interesting theory - i was always keen on keeping bruce during the bad run partly because i simply couldn't think of a better alternative...i'm not convinced by dean smith and i dont recall hearing many other names mentioned by the folks calling for bruce's head, but had wagner for example found himself unemployed at xmas you may well have been right I actually had money on Bruce being our manager last summer at decent odds as i heard he would have walked if hull hadn't been promoted and we were waiting in the wings to pounce...apparently was the reason for the delay in announcing RDM which (if i could be bothered to look back through news articles) i believe came shortly after the playoff final

Bruce has said non-internationals have had today, tomorrow and sunday off but have trained as normal all week however he appears as though he's been in dubai since the bolton game...special treatment?

i can see fulham beating us to 3rd which means we avoid them...i cannot see us finishing as low as 6th

i agree, i dont fancy them over 2 legs as apparently we can no longer win at craven cottage but i would definitely fancy us at wembley...35k noisy villa vs 25k (30k max) quiet fulham fans. dont ask me why, but i can just see us rising to the occasion