Keener window-cleaner

I think we played some of our best football last season when Bruce was away (because of the sad personal circumstances) and Agnew was in charge. I would be ok with him getting the job. Would give us both continuity, some fresh ideas and probably a cheap alternative, as long as we don't have to pay of Bruce.

At the time it was gooopooooo!

Ok, you are also off the list of new CEO:s.

I've started to like him over the last years, but he still can't pass the ball properly and has a mistake in him, so I'll be happy to see him leave. Best wishes and all the best and thank you for your professionalism, energy and enthusiasm. Bye bye!

I'm all for it, just make sure it's the Mellbergs, Carews and Laursens we get and not the Allbäcks, Hellenius and Enkelmans ?

I feel the same, I can't be relaxed when I don't understand how we are owned and by who. And if we are run by borrowed money, borrowed from who? I've let it be for the last years but now these worries are coming back. It's not any conspiracy crap, it's just simply that I want to understand how we are owned and I want to know what could happen in different scenarios. For example, if something would happen to any of the companies (that do or do not own us), if they go backrupt, if new legislation means they are put out of business etc, what would that mean to us? If something would happen to Tony personally, what would happen to us? I guess it would make a huge difference if he owns us personally (or via his companies) or if it is a company that owns us where Tony is just a director or part owner. That's at least how it is in many western countries, and it would be strange if it isn't the same in China. As has been said, merely the fact that he has managed to loan money (if that is the case) doesn't mean everything is well. That money will have to be paid back in one way or another, and I would bet you can't dodge FFP by simply borrowing money.

Chinese company law must be something monstrous, China seems to really have gone all in for capitalism and business... how about just having a transparent and simple company structure!? Here is my company, I own it.

I think this is really interesting (and I like organisation charts ?), but could you explain how the company structure in blue is connected to the company structure in green? I see that there are two red arrows pointing from Xia to the parent and child co, but I don't get how the child co is connected to the green part. And regarding what you said about this being the chinese companies and not the UK ones, do you know who (one of these companies?) it is that owns the UK firm Recon Football Limited (where Tony, Ho and Wyness are directors)? Thanks!

Ok, you are off the list of potential new CEO:s.

Even if Tony has managed to get a £50M loan, don't we still have FFP problems? I thought the purpose of FFP was to prevent owners from just pumping in money?

How much more of a Villa hero could he be if he, allthough against his will, accepts to be sold and by that rescues the club from going under? (another interpretation could be that he by going rescues Tony, and helps Tony to keep hold of our club...which I'm not sure if I'd want)

Thanks a lot for your posts Deisler, I appreciate them a lot. One thing I find really interesting with this are the "owners" of the parent company, you say they are a lot of holding companies. Is it in any way possible to get information about who owns these holding companies? As I understand it, it's the owner of these companies that really owns us. As Tony is the chairman of the parent company, I guess Tony either owns these companies, or has enough influence on them to be elected chairman? It would be very interesting to know though if someone else also partly owns us.

Now I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, but can't he list the club publicly on the stock market? Issue 49% of the shares, get in a lot of money and still have control? If I remember correctly we were listed in the latter stages of the Ellis regime.

How the **** can you put the future of our football club at stake by gambling on promotion. It's not just about the historic club and all it's fans, but all employees and their families. It seriously borders that it should be illegal. Why was it so ******* important to go up in one of the first seasons to make you take this risk?? It's the persons responsible of this that should get their assets stripped.

Ok China, I have some issues with you not being a democracy and your human rights violations, but right now what's most important is that you let Tony spend his money.

Who is Howard Hodgson?

With Wyness suspended, who takes care of the day to day business at the club? Can't imagine Tony doing it from China, with the time difference and all.

I don't know UK tax law, but normally countries are quite strict with their laws on taxes, ie if you miss a payment there are severe measures that can be taken, but also if you pay up within a short period of time those measures wont be taken. Hopefully it's just that we by negligence missed a payment and nothing more than that. If it on the other hand is so that we don't have enough cash to pay up, it could be very very bad. We'd need to take emergency loans or urgently sell assets...

I think this is the most worrying part (if true). We have mostly heard about FFP putting restrictions on us, but the limit on capital outflow out of China surly must play a part as well. I guess that's what comes along with having an owner from China, and what I and others had slight concerns about from the begininng. Nothing at all against Tony, but having an owner living in a dictatorship that doesn't respect rule of law will always be risky, because you don't know what new rule will suddenly come up. In a way it shouldn't matter as we should be able to be sustainable by ourselves and not dependent on the owner putting in new money now and then, but when it's needed, it really is needed.

Have we heard anything at all from Wyness? As the CEO I would expect him to communicate something with all the uncertainty the recent days. I wonder if Tony is considering sacking him. If Bruce was Wyness appointment, and by not winning promotion, that must be regarded as a failure that Tony wont be happy with. Wyness previously said that we had plans both for promotion and for staying in the Championship, I understood we had a plan b. NOw after what Tony said, I wonder if we really have a plan b, if we have, the CEO should communicate that. If we put all our eggs in the promotion basket and now are in trouble, I must say Wyness has failed big time. If it is so, then Wyness must surely hang loose. The problem is then, who would we get instead? Who would Tony turn to for advice on who to replace him?

No, the bidding doesn't start at all.

I am afraid Tony will look at it from the perspective of a businessman. Only looking at stats like goals, assists and games played, there is an argument that he has not contributed as much as for example Adomah, Snodgrass and Hourihane. Selling Grealish would give us a huge income that would possibly solve our FFP issues, and could even mean we can reinvest in the team. My view is that he is the most talented player I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, that in combination with the fact that he is one of us, has been at the club since he was a kid and loves the club, the fact that he gives me hope that he can be the player who brings us up to the top of the Premier League, that are for me emotional values that you simply cannot put a price tag on. Seeing him just as an asset and making a business oriented decision diminishes what it's all about for me to love and support a football club. You just don't sell Jack Grealish. I think the best way would be if as many supporters as possible let Tony know how much it means to us to keep Jack. I'd even go as far as threatening with a suitable boycott...

I just love posts like this, when you with more experience share it with us. Hoping for a good early birthday present!

Hmm... like Donald Duck-style with only t-shirt? I like it!!