Stuartc445

Don't go shouting that around because people will kick off that you aren't going to every single game and are stopping them going and demand that season tickets be scrapped

No you said it was Bruceball that made Hogan shit but as I said when Smith came in and changed that Hogan was the same and when he went to Sheffield United. The fact is you and the other odd people that will make endless excuses for Hogan use the Bruceball as the main excuse. But Hogan has played under Bruce, Smith and Wilder managers with different styles and nothing has changed which points to 1 conclusion and that it isn't the style of football being played that's making Hogan bad it's the fact Hogan just isn't very good. As has been said it's just bizarre when you get fans hammering Hourihane after 1 bad game but will make excuse after excuse for Hogan despite him being awful pretty much from the day we signed him.

You say you're not making excuses for him then you go on and make an excuse for him. So "Bruceball" didn't suit him. Bruce got sacked and nothing changed so does that mean Smithball and WilderBall didn't suit him either. i'll do some analysing for you Scott Hogan is a rubbish footballer that has had a few months of form in his whole career and that has blinded some people to what the rest of his career has been like.

So what's the excuse for Hogan when Smith came in and he was useless and when he went to Sheffield United and was useless. So Bruce's style didn't suit him and neither did Smiths who is the only manager to get him scoring style didn't suit him and Sheffield Uniteds style didn't suit him. So what style actually does suit him. Or was it just that brief spell at Brentford was the anomaly and what we are seeing at Villa and Sheffield United is the true Hogan going by his whole carreer I'd say it's the latter.

Depending on the owner sometimes the fans and the owners want different things, if you have a proper ambitious owner then they will want what the fans want, but a lot of owners these days are like what Lerner was like 17th will do because of the TV Money. By appointing Bruce Mike Ashley imo comes into the 2nd criteria of owner doesn't matter where they finish as long as it isn't lower than 17th.

I have no hatred towards Wolves tbh. It might sound strange but we've had to put up with the north west clubs battling for honours and also London teams and as I said to my Wolves supporting boss that it' would actually be good if the two of us went and represented the Midlands and started challenging for honours every season.

This, Kalinic got injured then Steer made it impossible for Smith to drop him.

It was the Zilina and Hamburg games where he screwed things up once again by playing the reserves had we taken those games seriously then we would have avoided CSKA and played someone either nec nijmegen or another team i can't remember the name of.

The baggies goal would have been disallowed with any variation of the handball rule since the day Football was created.

Different situation Bruce is a championship manager and we appointed him when we was a championship team unlike Newcastle. He did well for us because he managed to stop the slide and got us competitive again which we hadn't been for years, I agree with @kurtsimonw if we had gone up i still would have changed managers because he isn't a premier league manager.

This 100% this. It's madness an outsider reading this would believe that Bruce had us fighting relegation all the time he was here. The way some are going on and on making out Bruce was the worst manager we've had are making themselves look a bit stupid when you actually look at what he did here by stopping a 6 year slide and then getting us to 1 game away from the premier league in his 1 full season. Yes he failed, yes he should have been sacked after the playoff final but we couldn't afford to. When the new owners came in imo he was never going to last the season he was kept on whilst they sorted the finances out and got advice so his replacement would be the correct one (which it was). The fact they kept him instead of sacking him and getting someone like Henry in says to me we have decent owners now.

What do you mean Make them a laughing stock, that would imply that they weren't already which isn't true as they have always been a laughing stock.

Nobody has said that, then you go on to basically say the thing you just said nobody has said.... Love it please don't stop this is quality entertainment

Come On Now Stop It, don't you know where you are this is the Steve Bruce thread Facts are not allowed here.

Apart from if you read what's been put in here that is pretty much what is being said.

It wasn't that game that nearly killed the club going by what has happened with Dr Tony getting promoted would have more than likely just delayed what happened as it's clear Dr Tony hasn't got the money he claimed he had. Again it's scale we had a team in 2010 more than capable to beat United just like we had a team more than capable to beat Fulham in the playoff final. It's not as simple as 1 was United and 1 was Fulham you have to factor in the level of where we were competing at the time. In 2010 we were competing around Uniteds level and in 2018 we were competing around the level of Fulham so if you take that into consideration it's the same.

It's also about scale we had a team that should have been more than capable of beating the the United side that played that day. You mention the 2nd teir Playoff final we lost well guess what we were a 2nd teir team playing another 2nd teir team so it was a 50:50 chance just like in the other finals we have lost since 1996.

You mean Man Utds reserves and our side that day were miles better that day

You say it makes no sense in a place where people are making him out to be the worst manager we've ever had, not a manager that got us to win 24 games in a season and lost a playoff final which again is used to beat him with even though since 1996 plenty of our managers have lost finals with better players than Bruce had. ^^^^ now that doesn't make sense but as I said keep this going as it's brilliant entertainment my lunch breaks would be dull without reading comedy like this

Love this thread though it's comedy gold. Comments so far: If Bruce had any class he'd quit and not hold out for compo. 2 days later Bruce resigns Bruce is classless for resigning should have waited so wednesday got money he's a word removed. So people say if he had class he'd resign but then when he resigns say he's classless. Like i said comedy gold

Doesn't matter what job you do if you start a job and have a pre booked holiday that they have to honour it, obviously you can cancel it but they can't stop you taking it.

Let's put in black and white shall we before Bruce came in we had won what something like 7 in around 52 games, spent a fortune when we got relegated (more than Bruce spent in the time he was here but you don't mention that i wonder why). He managed to stabilise the slide we was on then in the 2nd season got to the play off final which despite Brentford's awesome God like recruitment they have never managed. That doesn't match the picture you paint which seems to be one of relegation scraps. Yes this season he went insane and Smith managed to turn it around but he hardly came into the same situation as Bruce did it was only 11 games before Smith came in we were consistently winning unlike 6 or so years prior to Bruce's arrival. That is the last i will say on the matter as i think it's about time we all moved on.

John McGinn, El Ghazi, Conor Hourihane, Glen Whelan, Tammy Abraham, Elmo, Axel Tuanzebe. You're right how terrible Bruce's recruitment was wish he hadn't lumbered us with McGinn. Tbh I don't care about Bruce anymore as he's gone i just find it ridiculous how people talk about him. Honestly if you were an outsider reading some of these comments you'd think he had us scrapping for survival in the championship all the time he was here. I also find the people mocking him for saying he was never accepted here are usually the people that never accepted him. We are in the Premier League with Smith as manager surely it's time people move on from Bruce and stop going over the same old tired ground.

By mess you mean the players that have just got us promoted, the playoff final team only Mings was a Smith addition in the starting lineup and the other one was Hause on the bench so in the squad only 2 were Smith's. Bruce did a good job recruiting but just couldn't set them up.

But the next manager will have those players and money to add new ones because of the compensation they will get, but hey why let that get in the way with a good old Bruce bashing.