chrisp65

somebody's idea of 'choice'

ro **** se! some people have no idea what to share on a forum and what's best left private

everybody needs a bit of 'me' time every now and again

We might be crunching and sifting the data a bit much here. I was trying to make a point that declaring all religious people 'mental', is possibly over stating a case and leaving little wriggle room. If we can write of 'others' as simply mental then it's all going to break down fairly quickly. Surely anyone that hits a woman, breaks in to a house at Christmas, rapes, takes illegal and dangerous drugs, smokes or drinks too much is also 'mental'? The definitive number wasn't really the key point. It does look surprisingly high. I guess there's an additional category of 'mental' for people that aren't religious in any way, but say they are on a census form. I can't claim to know how accurate the Office of National Statistics are with this stuff, I'd be interested to be pointed towards a more respected source that's carried out a more comprehensive survey. But that's all filler. I agree absolutely and totally it's about critical thinking. Quite a number of people hold a view and will only allow in information that confirms this original view of the world. No ability to be critical, to understand the agenda of others dishing out the information. To filter. No ability to seek perspective or just pause and think for themselves. We've had the very recent case of the Sun reporter splashed across the paper claiming he's just travelled from Turkey to Paris without a passport check. Shocking. It didn't take much to work out it was bollocks though, and his passport was checked. Not only that, he didn't use the train like he said, he flew, there are records of it. But for those that read the Sun, only the first bit matters. A man travelled without passport checks. End of. Before the vote on bombing Syria they asked a random guy in a Labour club if he thought they should bomb Syria. His answer: 'yes'. Reporter followed up with 'why?'. His answer: 'well, you gotta do something'. Yep, let's not consider the 1,000 permutations, the ethnic mix, who's a good goody, who's a middling goody and who's really really bad. Consequences and scenarios, recent historical precedents. Let's just bomb. Now I don't know if that old bloke goes to church, I'd certainly say there's more of a case for declaring him 'mental', than the old woman across the street that attends every Sunday. Critical thinking could maybe be part of the school curriculum a bit earlier. I think we've touched on this over in the private member's area.

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define 'recent', it was September 2013 (in english, it's would be pronounced something similar to 'kill u babiesch' with the u being flat like under not posh like lute)

to formulate the rules of football

I'd agree they are in the majority non-practising. But 10% of the UK adult population are signed up members of churches. In 2012 almost 300 new churches opened in London alone. I think the issue here, is that most people presume their view of the world is 'normal' Most people would think their view of the world is correct. If they didn't, they'd change their mind. But the trouble with presuming 'I am right', is that this can sometimes also be interpreted as 'they must be wrong'. I think it's a bit too easy to be rude and off hand on the 'net. I'd never call somebody mental because they don't agree with my view of the world. It's actually a bit disrespectful to people with actual mental illnesses too if we're going the full PC on this. We may have strayed down a side alley here.

Office of National Statistics, 2011 Census. Info released 2013. ONS

space age comes to Swansea Valleys traffic lights and refrigerators next, mark my words

approx 48,000,000 in the UK have mental problems? That's a big number.

On the presumption that anything anywhere can be bloody trusted anymore it now appears the media drama over intimidation turns out to have been, well, a bit over egged. I'd been under the impression from the media that people had been personally confronted and issued with death threats. Tom Watson

That's not a lot of time mind, from order to collection window to produce a sachet of special sauce. I'd have to be sat there, kinda half ready. Which I believe, is why they never extended my trial period at Subway.

On Omariqy's posting of the 'oddness' of the California shootings. I'm not a great subscriber to conspiracies and I think it is what it looks like. But I did think it really really odd that journalists were given free reign to wander around the house and pick through their stuff. Would that be standard in the USA? I don't know. I can't believe over here that cameras and reporters could go through someone stuff 48 hours later. I can't believe police and forensics would be finished with it.

You just can't beat being in a crowd of a few hundred with 6 or 7 'ultras' repeatedly chanting 'red army.red army. red army'. Just stood chuckling thinking, but there are 6 of you. One of my fave grounds (Port Talbot) let's people out at half time to go to the chippy over the road. Anyway, we've just had a new 3G pitch installed. I was a little sceptical as it's caused some crazy fixture congestion (we had to play 9 consecutive away games, so no gate receipts for 3 months). This weekend, with the crazy rain there's been, we had the women's team play on it Friday evening, under 8's play a mini tournament Saturday, main event Saturday afternoon the seniors won in the Welsh Cup, today the under 19's have got a game. During the week there will be training on it ready for next weekend. Across male, female, disability and all ages we've got over 500 players on the books now. With a 3G pitch that isn't bothered by rain.

Well I am utterly confused as to why you quoted half of what I said and made a point that apparently didn't relate to it? Don't just retreat in to 'I'm not repeating it', come on, explain what didn't make sense when you read the whole post. I will genuinely either try and explain it with better grammar on my part, or admit I goofed.

I haven't said that the bombing is to get rid of IS. I've suggested it's just the first stage to undermine them. If you'd quoted (or read) the top half of my post that you've omitted from the selective quoting, you'd see that. NOW LOOK - I'VE MISSED A **** GOAL!

Watched the Wilko film a couple of evenings ago, I thought it was close to perfection. If you liked the style of it, you should also take a look at 'Oil City Confidential' about the whole band.

You don't have to be a good singer to know when somebody else can't sing. Equally, you don't have to have a great plan yourself to know when someone else has a poor plan. My understanding at the moment (and I'm happy to be corrected) is that the current plan is something like this: We will continue to bomb Syria and Iraq to undermine IS. So far (figure for 01.12.15) there have been 8,500 air strikes, I guess we need quite a few more. British bombs are so accurate that if we get intel on baddies planning attacks on the Bull Ring, we will be able to target them and take them out. Which is something that couldn't have been done before Wednesday. Once IS are sufficiently disrupted, 70,000 good rebels will leave their positons in their home towns and march on IS to finish them off as a viable force. Whilst the 70,000 good rebels are mobilised away from home, Assad with agree to short term power sharing with a date set for him to stamd down. Nothing bad will be happening to the good rebel held areas during this period. Syria and Iraq and Libya will just start to operate as safe normalised states. Now, I don't have access to the latest briefings and info from the spooks, but I can see a problem with that plan. Ignoring the cost of bombs and satellites and what not, I very crudely estimate that we (the coalition) have so far spent £2 Billion on aviation fuel alone. I'd say we haven't had a very good return on our spending so far if the aim really is to get rid of IS. Given how flimsy our plan appears to be, I think it's ok for people to question it, without having the answer in a golden envelope themselves. But don't get me wrong, if it works, I will be happy and I will be happy to have been wrong. I just don't see it working. Unless success is going to be defined as perpetual war in faraway places with minimal manageable damage at home.

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yeah, that's a low point there Tony a little drink later 49, that's rough.