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I think you're right there Shropshire Lad. As good a reasoning as any. Annoyingly, I wrote something similar, about Wales winning a mini competition of last team standing so probably well happy about that. I wrote it but something happened and it didn't post. Same happened with a couple of killer posts I tried to get in the Brexit thread yesterday. I'm blaming the fact I'm in a juggling act at the moment between being in pain, taking medicine when I don't normally take any (first time for even paracetemol in several years), and drinking more in the last 2 weeks than I have in the last 2 years. Actually, now is probably as good a time and place as any to apologise in advance for the next few days.... ...bear with me, should all be done n dusted by Saturday.

Kari Arnason ‏@karibestmeister 8h8 hours ago Quote attributed to me following our game v. ENG are untrue and absolutely false. Full respect to the England team and players. shame, I really liked the Harry Kane one.

Perhaps some would say that's yet more english arrogance. The world does not revolve around the england football team. Wales and Iceland were criticised in the press for being minnows diluting the quality of the tournament. Iceland had two players on that pitch that were playing for Swansea and Cardiff. The ITV pundits were discussing who England wanted to play next. You yourself said you wanted to play Belgium. So you wanted Wales to lose? Then you come in to the light hearted positivity of the Wales thread for a moan when people cheer an Iceland win? How **** disrespectful. I felt sorry for england, I felt bloody chuffed for Iceland. It's only football, just enjoy the ride and stop worrying about the others.

Fascinating how many of the Labour MP's are talking about the need to potentially be the party of power, to win an election. No talk of principles, no mention of why, no great cause to champion, not looking out for the little guy or the hard workers. Just a need for the party to be in power. Pick someone electable. We can pad out some policy stuff later.

I'd been meaning to post up the Candelas version, but An's was so obviously better. Too fast for me to follow all but a couple of words, but it's the feels that count.

I thought we agreed it was 6 and that the 2 minutes of crying didn't count?

So all day we've been told how Angela Eagle could be the candidate to go up against Corbyn. Slight hitch tonight as her constituency party have come out in support of Corbyn. Quite a few career politicians with very good suits must be feeling quite uncomfortable, eh, Stephen Kinnock et al?

If the iceland player Kari Arnason is to be believed, Harry Kane asked the ref in the tunnel at half time if they were out if they lost. If that's true, you'd have to question his mental capacity and what level of coaching he had received from the england staff.

Nobody voted for Farage, he wasn't on the ballot. Gove wasn't on the ballot. No Johnson either. The question was, leave or remain. They voted leave. There's no nuance, there's no supplementary question, there was nothing conditional. It has nothing to do with Boris Johnson.

How can it not be that simple? 'Should the UK remain a member of the European Union?' that was a very clear question, no sub clauses about health spending or bananas the answer was a clear 'Leave' by more than one million three hundred thousand people's votes how would you react if the result had been the other way around and you were told we were ignoring that and leaving anyway

I cannot see a way we don't leave the EU. The question couldn't have been simpler, the answer was clear. 48% of the electorate might not like it, well suck it up as best you can. The detail of who we get to do the deal and when, that's where the conversation needs to be, not some fantasy project to undo a democratic vote. We get lied to at every election. We didn't re run the election of the coalition government because it turned out Clegg was a liar happier in power than true to his word. Scary how quickly some people are happy to try and alter who can vote or whether other people's votes really count if they don't agree. A dangerous weird view of democracy.

unfortunately, it was actually part of a smaller plan which has got out of hand

The Keep Corbyn rally was organised at 24 hours notice.

and that, my friend, is how you get cold sores and warts

I don't know whether I'm intelligent or not. But I have picked up one or two tricks that sees me through many situations. I can admit to myself if I don't know something and go away and look for guidance. I've also learnt via a Uni course, something about being critical about sources of information. The self awareness to know that you don't know, plus access to the internet, can help you get by.

If the local tory candidate was still trying to do things like close down a foodbank because he 'feels' it encourages the poor to be lazy, I'd say you can keep to your thinking regarding tories. If the Germans are still nazis carrying out genocide and war and wearing a lot of Hugo Boss then you're entitled to keep voting against them. If either situation has fundamentally changed, you should reconsider your reasons.

Talking of the queen, do we know if she purred when call me Dave phoned her?

Don't spoil the narrative of the spoilt brat baby boomers. It's the only way we're going to get this poor unfortunate hard done by generation out of the comic book convention, off netflix and in to the polling station. I've banged on about it before and there's an obvious joke about 'when I were a lad'. I grew up in a dock community that was in decline. Anybody that thinks those people had it easy in the 60's and 70's just does not understand. It shows a lack of awareness amongst the young that leads me to think anyone under the age of 48 that doesn't agree with me shouldn't be allowed to vote.

It really is stunningly stupid. If you don't agree with me on it, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or anyone else in your demographic.

Well, in my opinion, you are utterly wrong. I'm not concerned about mortality, not really sure where you got that from? Perhaps rather than remove the democratic rights of all pensioners, you could educate people below the age of 30 on how the system works? No amount of retweets of morally superior cartoons will influence the result. Once the yoof are voting in numbers it might make more of a difference than putting an age limit on democracy. If that doesn't change the result to your liking well that's just plain old tough luck. It's such a stunningly stupid suggestion, I'm still presuming you're trolling.

I'm guessing you're just on a rolling rant and that was for effect? It's a spectacularly bad thing to even suggest, an upper age limit on voting because as a stereotype, they vote in a particular way. My mother in law is in her 80's. She voted remain and is deeply upset at the result and the potential consequences.

We finally bought a replacement second car on the weekend. We've had a Nissan people carrier thing which was bought from new way back when. It's got to the end of it's life in a big way, including a stretched timing chain and knackered engine along with a whole host of other issues. Every time it starts might be the last, basically. Anyway, we / she had a short list of smaller downsized cars and we went out on the weekend. Downsized as the school run and guitar transport has just finished and it will rarely if ever leave town. It's a shopping trolley and single person 7 mile commute kinda car. Renault and Dacia quickly dismissed due to disinterested staff. Disinterested after we'd told them we were buying in the next 24 / 48 hours. MG turned out not to exist yet, it was just a totem on an empty lot. That left Toyota (Aygo) and Skoda (Citigo). Both nice cars, both drove fine around town, both had sales staff that came over as mostly human. We told both garages we would sign up by 4:00pm if the deal was right. Toyota agreed 4:00pm was a good deadline as they were closing early for the football. Then it became quickly apparent that Toyota wanted to sell a car far more than Skoda did. The price tumbled, the spec went up, the extras became free, the valuation on the Nissan went up.... and we bought a funky little red n black Aygo at 3:50pm and left the garage at the same time as them locking up. Ridiculous amount of kit, reversing camera, wifi hub (!), air con, alloys, heated mirrors (?), fancy sporty half leather seats, extra stick on plastic fins and scoops n shit to make it look much faster as it takes 14 seconds to get to 60mph. It would appear the way to get a deal you are happy with is to turn up 3 hours before a footy match on the last sales weekend of the quarter. Just the next 3 years now to decide if that was the best way to have bought a car.

that would be an outmoded Marxist dialectic nobody does Marxism anymore we just want our country back next slogan to gather around needs to be even shorter and simpler but just as attractive, I'm launching 'us not them'.