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UKIP Plymstock poppy wreath logo sparks political row UKIP councillor Colin Mair apologised for any offence caused but said he did not know who left the wreath. Spalding's Conservative district councillor Roger Gambba-Jones said he was "horrified" by what had happened. In Devon, a UKIP party local chairman defended the use of a UKIP logoat a war memorial in Plymouth. 'Clearly inappropriate' Mr Mair said: "I have no idea who put it there. But it is possible to buy a wreath with the UKIP label in it from the British Legion shop. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Roger Gambba-Jones I hope it is not a cynical ploy to promote themselves” Conservative councillor "This is not a time for politics. It is not the time and place to do that." Mr Mair said veterans were honoured "because of what they did, not for what political representation they were". "All I can do is apologise for any offence that has been caused... and express forcibly within UKIP how unhappy people are because of what was done," he said. Mr Gambba-Jones, a South Holland district councillor, said: "I hope it is not a cynical ploy to promote themselves in a completely inappropriate environment and I hope they never make a similar mistake in the future. "There are things where politics is appropriate and things where it is clearly inappropriate. "The last thing you do is go and celebrate your party when we are all supposed to be one nation celebrating our dead." After several wreaths with UKIP rosettes were laid in Plymouth, UKIP's chairman for the South West, David Salmon, said: "The logo may be a bit over the top, so next year I'll consider a smaller one. "But I want to retain the logo because I'm proud of what we stand for." The Royal British Legion says its poppy factory produces logos for "all the mainstream political parties". Truth be told UKIP have a terrible logo. The rest of them are marginally better...

Its the very essence of party politics, the need to get elected rather than getting elected for having conviction Having said that it is ok to change your mind but you should at least acknowledge that you have Exactly Gareth, things will change as circumstances do. What the Tory party though are doing here is trying to re-write history buy removing any reference to it. The problem they have is that it aint that simple and by going down this path they are now coming under even more scrutiny. As said many times for a man with a marketing background, Cameron certainly oversees a lot of marketing gaffes Don’t get me wrong its a ridiculous thing to have done, and counter productive. Probably the idea of some bright spark in the IT department. But we know that if any of the political parties could do this and get away with it they would. As I ve always said a read of Private Eye will show what the parties get up to on a national and local level and all colours are at something dodgy.

I suspect they aren’t the only one at it, no party likes being reminded of previous promises that they never keep.

Can someone turn the headline size down. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should...

Not sure what he’s done wrong. He’s just stating what direction the chairman is taking the club.

Downing looked like a £5 million winger; nothing like the artist formerly known as our player of the year

Good man!

Who cared I failed a drugs test says Carl Lewis He’s also a shite actor...

I can tell you a list of people who it isn’t; Lance Armstrong and Carl Lewis. But its impossible really; you can’t compare the achievements of different sports. But I would suspect that a large number of these ‘greats’, were also taking illicit substances And a drugs cheat

Yep running it on the Tarka Trail will make it dead flat; but its pretty hilly around there

To be fair Darren you are a damn sight younger than some of us

Bideford 10; bloody hell that sounds like its going to be hilly! Barnstaple marathon sounds good, may have to do it myself. How long does it train to do a marathon? I reckon at least three months. You clearly have the fitness of transporting oxygen efficiently around your body, which is half the problem, but the physical body will take much longer to cope with the strain if you want to complete it with more than just getting round. I ve got reasonable fitness from cycling, a pretty good V02 max, high lactate tolerance, but I am injured from doing too much running too quickly, so I would suggest caution rather than over ambition...

The Daily Mail is a newspaper for people who are category 5 morons. The reality is that just because you buy/read the Mail doesn't make you a moron. Might mean you are misguided mind...

In Britain its often knife crime rather than gun crime thats the worry; easy to obtain and just as lethal

Geoffrey Boothroyd recommended a Walther PPK...

I ve fired a gun and that was enough for me, I can see the attraction, but its not for me in general. I once saw a program about WW1 and it was about the efficiency of the British Tommy, and his gun the Lee Enfield. So that would be my favourite. On the other hand I read this last week and wanted to cry

No one on this thread is impartial, everyone is either a raging tory or a dye in the wool socialist with a few liberals who are confused

In the old days the typesetters were paid for the amount of copy they set, not the amount of correct copy...

well with the Guardian’s legacy of quality copy proofing you can never be sure what they mean

The Mail’s website is the no.1 “news” website in the UK i believe, and you can see why, a constant mixture of gossip and columns designed to outrage/titilate.

Hasn’t the MoS offered an unreserved apology? Without a doubt the culture of Cing and Double Cing at the Mail has many of its staff living in fear of the sack...

Well anyway Britain is a conservative with a small c country Otherwise why would more people be members of the NT than all the parties put together?

[url= newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care ... au contraire You may feel that way Tony, remind me again who posted Socialist Worker headlines? Who mentioned the Daily Mirror previously etc? The media in general is very right wing biased especially amongst the more popular newspapers. We have seen to what depths they will sink with things like the Sun (Hillsborough for example), NOTW, The Mail this week etc. That is not to say the Mirror etc are above any sort of criticism, nor should they be. But as many are pointing out and you are conveniently missing is that political influence from elements such as Murdoch, the mail proprietors etc will no doubt cause a reaction especially from those that do not subscribe to that (IMO) wrong way of thinking. I would say right wing biased, but not very right wing biased? I guess it depends on what you define as right wing, but very right wing is the BNP to me. I don’t think that any of the major newspapers support this. At the heart of it is that most papers support the editorial direction of their owners, and press barons tend to be that way inclined? But I would say that Britain as a country tends to lean more to the right than the left, even if its the centre right? The left and centre left consistently get more votes at general Elections than the right/centre right (although that does really depend on how you define 'centre right' and 'centre left', and what you think the Lieberal democrats are (or were pre 2010) Well I would guess if one takes the last 200 years its generally been right of centre politics that has dominated, but I guess its how you define these things. We haven’t had a left wing government since the 70s... I'd rather go back 100 or so years, and then you have a rather different picture. The fact that the right has won so many GE's is as much down to the fractured nature of the left wing vote. As I say - go and look at the results of GE's for the last 1o0 years, and you will find 'The Left/centre left' consisitently polling better than the right. But Factor in FPTP, and you see where the 'problem' has been. The votes of the people have not been proportion to the seats in westminster, to the advantage of the tories. Why do say the Tories? The Liberal party is hardly left wing?

Anyway for those who read PE will know that a power struggle exists between the Daily and the Sunday title, so Dacre is not entirely to blame for this, Geordie Greig I believe must hold some responsibility.