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Haha julieB. She bullshits more than a demagogue.

Bit Brexity

Whoop.

What were they thinking with that badge in a badge though. Liking that kit is easier when it was a pretty exciting season. Especially the first three quarters as I remember.

Say no to blue shorts.

Good stats. We didn't have many good chances though. Maybe that one that Johnson saved? Apart from that I don't remember any. West Brom defended well.

I had a quick look at the teams Derby put out when they played us this season. I think they were missing some key players—Mason Mount didn't play in either game, for example, and he looked excellent.

Wolves' level is pretty high to be fair! Sad to say, but yeah we'd need loads of investment to get to their level.

I think Adomah made more of an impression in the time he had.

I'm joking! And I agree.

Haha. Maybe this is how we're all dealing with the nerves

It's bullshit though. Remember that crazy time when people used to actually believe the shit they print in the Daily Mail? So happy we've moved on from those days... FROM THE DAILY MAIL: Winterval was another attempt by the Daily Mail to rile people up. It took no effort and about four seconds to find out the truth. So if it drove people towards racist tendencies then shame on them and on that manipulative paper.

No way on earth they would sing it if he was in the room either.

I'm open minded to what you're saying, but at some point the use of ethnicity has to also have a very basic descriptive use though, surely. If someone said in 20 years, describe to me the 1996 League Cup winning team, and describe them well so I can actually get a picture of who they are, then do you think it would be wrong to use the different adjectives available? I wasn't aware that black is an inherently racist word. For the record, above I have disagreed with its use in that song and in any similar contexts. I think in plenty of places it's unnecessary and comes across as backwards, but in a genuine descriptive attempt it surely has a use. In this context all adjectives would have an actual function, which is surely the point of this whole debate—in the song, it comes across as a throwback to a racist past, because there is no point in describing him as black, especially as we're all aware of how that comes across.

Yeah I don't think that example would be racist at all.

It's how it comes across too—it's like these guys find it novel that he's black. That's how it sounds—I know it's the lyrics of the song, but they could have easily changed it to big Tammy. The impression I get though is, as I said, that it's novel to them that he's black. It's so old-fashioned and with our racist past something that feels like a throwback to something we've moved away from. People can bash PC culture all they like—and I'm not even suggesting this debate is a good example to use—but the truth is we've come a long way through being more aware of our language and how we talk to other people. Why would people want to go back to our darker past? People want to bury their head in the sand and pretend that humans aren't capable of being terrible to each other, especially when big ignorant groups form together. I think Hippo said, but what if I want to describe him as black—that's completely different. It's not a throwback—if I described someone as black that's a functional use of the language. The way it comes across in the song, it doesn't come across like that. TBH, I think it makes the singers come across as pretty ignorant. It's ignorant because as other people have said they could have chosen anything. People seem to be getting defensive and making out that others here are suggesting that the use of the word black is somehow being denied to them by the PC police. If that's how they see it then they should possibly at least consider that they are missing the point. The 'Scottish' in the Scottish Cafu is functional too. It's showing a comparison. Scottish is also a nationality. Anyway, the use of 'the Scottish Cafu' and 'Black Tammy Abraham' is completely different because here the particular use of black seems very archaic—what's the point? I'm sure 500 years ago calling someone Scottish and giving that as the go-to description of who they are might have been a bit tinged in historical racism too. Hopefully we've moved on from that—hopefully we'll move on from all this BS eventually too. But as I say, this song feels like a massive throwback, whether the intention was there or not. I wonder if it's in the ballpark of what Danny Baker did with that stupid photo. And in the current climate, where, in my experience, people's secret prejudices are starting to surface, it comes across as to some degree willfully ignorant—and those choosing to ignore all this context, makes me wonder too. On a side note, it reminds me of this this: PC gone mad

It does apply to all races. And nobody is going to disagree. We obviously have a British perspective on the world, and it's easy for the majority white people to get oversensitive about this stuff, thinking that they're being singled out for particularly hard treatment, but if I was living in China or wherever and people were calling me whitey all the time I'd think those people were falling into some pretty lame tropes that reflect badly on their character. If people were calling me whitey in the UK I'd think the same. The UK is multicultural anyway, and it has been for ages—and it's a direct result of our actions throughout history.

"If there is an uproar t's PC gone mad and the fault of our oppressive EU overlords that have had the Bri....I mean English people in chains for 700 years."

Do you just keep repeating this stuff? I swear I saw you say exactly the same thing a week or so ago. It's so obvious and we all know — relax.

Got to love an enlightened, informed comment! My memory of that game was that it was very even and they scored a couple of sublimely finished, but on another day definitely going to be missed, goals. At least one of them. I also remember that neither team was particularly great.

Is it not a case that you're thinking one step at a time? We've got a tough two legs coming up against a decent team. I can't let myself think beyond these two games.

It's on sky. So I think it won't be on AVTV. Pretty cheeky that they've charged you if that's the case!

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It's not working for me. Anyone else having problems? Thanks.

I may be wrong, but I think that's only the midweek games.