Chindie

Milner does it properly.

Another!

Saved.

Pen.

I wonder if Milner gets pissed off stood on the edge of the box in acres of space screaming for a pass and always being ignored.

Lovely flick from Carew for Milner.

Nice to have a reasonably strong bench for once.

Colin Murray. 'Eh...ugh...Ian.... Villa...eh...Martin O'Neill...eh...um...ugh...so...Delph!'

Villa - Guzan; Beye, Davies, Cuellar, Shorey; Milner, Delph, Petrov, Young; Heskey, Carew. Subs - Friedel, Sidwell, Agbonlahor, Albrighton, Reo-Coker, Gardner, Lowry.

I questioned the spirit when I spoke to you last General (and you gave a good reply which I'm thankful for), but even I can't doubt that on tonights performance. That's what we expect from this team, that's what we know they're capable of, and that's what O'Neill is known for in his sides, and I'm overjoyed to see it back, fantastic!

Get in, proved me completely wrong and I've never been happier.

Hold it together Villa please! I might get a rub it in pint with a certain lady if this holds.

I'd not have played Davies. Needs to be out of the side recuperating. Otherwise... I suppose it's as good as we can hope.

I'm expecting an early goal to shake us, then have a bit of a fight back, then collapse. Liverpool aren't at their best but we're rattled for one reason or another, can't see anything but a loss. Expecting at least 3 goals.

Semi. Always had it. We occasionally have some UHT in as well, but I've never been quite sure why. Love diary products.

Errol.

Kalpen Modi, best known as Kumar from the Harold and Kumar films, and Dr Lawrence Kutner in House, is now working for Obama at the White House, as Associate Director of the White House Office of Public Liason.

This is going to be a horror show. Grim.

At what point would you start to re-think your position on Martin O'Neill? End of the window will begin to see my opinion change if things do not materialise. I have faith that he can bring in players and I've never bought this idea that he's sat on his arse doing nothing. I think we'd hoped to have players in by now and clearly, something's gone wrong. I don't especially think he's dithered. However, if players do not turn up at the club, I'll begin to reconsider my position not only on O'Neill, but of the Lerner regime as well. My thinking right now is 'The man isn't stupid, he knows he needs players. If he can't get them then theres something beyond his control thats stopping him'. If things dont change, that'll become the same with added bite, with the addition of 'and Martin needs to realise he has to work through these issues and if that means he needs to look at players he wouldn't normally (i.e. further afield) then so be it'. How far does your support go at a critical time in our (and other teams') chase for the top 4? As far as the club goes, I'm a Villan if we're winning the league and I'm a Villan if we're relegated. As for support of O'Neill with regards to a top 4 chase (I'm assuming the question in this context means 'We're chasing the top 4 and not getting it, sack the manager?') then as far as I'm concerned, top 4 right now is far off goal. We're in a marathon for it, not a sprint. We're in training now for the run on the top 4 race in a few seasons. Until we're ready we'll be in the chase for top 6 year on year. I've accepted this and am happy that that is the case with the long term goal of top 4 in mind. I feel others need to as well. With that in mind, O'Neill retains my support so long as we look to be hoping to build on towards that goal. I've accepted that this season, barring miracles, is a season we'll dropping off, but provided he's still building that side he has my support. What does Martin have to do (or not do) before you begin allowing yourself to think 'Hold on a second Martin sort it out'? Surely your support only goes so far? Only goes to a point? I want to know what that point is. Have we already reached it? My support goes when we significantly fail. If we spend much of a season bottom half looking hopeless, his buys not performing consistantly (or he really starts to take the piss with signings, I mean really dire players on big fees) and crucially for me anyway, looking like we don't believe anymore (which frankly, this seasons 2 games aren't instilling any hope in that belief for me) then I'll not be backing him like before. If we start to unnecessarily sell the teams assets then my faith in the whole regime will be gone. By unnecessarily I mean, for example, a sale of Ashley Young to a rival for anything other than a silly fee, unless he becomes a problem. As things stand now, I think O'Neill is still the one for us, he's delivered year on year. He's not excited, he's not been glamourous, but he's got the results come May and thats enough for me. I'd prefer better cup performances but they're always a bit of a lottery. I'd prefer a better squad as well but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he'll come through with signings before the end of the window so I'm not especially worried about that, and I'll not demand names or massive fee's either so long as they peform on the pitch or give the impression to me that they can. But he still has my backing for now. All could start to change after the window though.

Evening General I very rarely post in this thread. But I think I'm compelled to say something now. I'm not going to say O'Neill has lost it, I'm in support of the manager and have been for the entirety of his Villa career so far, though he has made a few decisions that have annoyed and baffled me before now I've given him the benefit of the doubt because, in the end, he's got the results come May. However, theres 1 thing you could rarely put to this Villa side, or any O'Neill side, and its something to be proud of - they're very rarely gutless sides and they very rarely don't give it their all. That doesn't seem to be the case right now. Wigan on Saturday was dire. Tonight wasn't as bad, nowhere near, but we lacked spark and could have played all night and not scored. I'm sure O'Neill doesn't want this from his side and it's certainly something he's not renowned for. But still, it's happened. What's wrong? It's clear as day that something isn't right. I'm absolutely certain that our transfer plans have come across difficulties, solely as we're woefully underprepared right now and I'm sure O'Neill isn't incompetent. We've clearly encountered problems in the window. But that's not the sole reason we're struggling I'm sure, the teams spirit looks utterly shot, and that above all else worries me. O'Neill will come through in the final days of the window I'm sure but if the spirit, that we've been so used to in the past couple of seasons is gone. That worries me more than anything, and I'm usually pretty optimistic about this side and this Aston Villa. I worry that the crowd will lose their faith in the manager and the power of the fans at this club is not to be underestimated. Whatever has gone wrong, I sincerely hope it is sorted and fast, or this season will see 3 years of good work on the pitch destroyed. EDIT - I'll reiterate though that I'm absolutely confident in Martin, and think he's the man for us. I'm just concerned about the 'feeling' about this side being very out of character, and the possible fallout amongst the fans that is already catching and spreading exponentially.

Was thinking that myself. BBC cut him off! You can tell he's trying to sugar coat a decision that ain't going to be popular, he spent about 5 mins saying absolutely nothing effectively. 'I spoke to every Tom Dick and Harry under the sun, and THE UK GOVERNMENT'. EDIT - He's still bloody going!

One. English. I was taught French and a bit of German in school but that was typical school standard of 'learn enough to pass the tests'. Remember some of it. I was gonna pick up some Welsh at Aber but there's no point. Picked up some words in passing.

Haven't heard this in years. Great song.

Needs to settle into a partnership, which isn't going to happen with Davies as things stand right now. But yeah, he's a good player imo.

Agree wholeheartedly with SellyOak, AVFC1874 and John's posts, top stuff gents.