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Plenty of strikers with good records abroad have flopped here, the point is you don't 'know' until they do it. He could quite easily succeed or be a Forlan. I agree - the point is you'd give him a chance over someone who doesn't score so many goals.
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But Westwood doesn't play in the position he used to anymore anyway.
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Never heard of him, sorry.
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He's never played in the prem though, so we don't know if he'd be better than Jordan Bowery.
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I've answered it many times, it's not relevant here because you can't prove that Gradel is a better goalscorer than Benteke based on stats. All you can prove is that Gradel scored more goals last season but seeing as Benteke has scored more goals over his career, the latter is obviously better. You've made a flawed comparison here. I agree that we don't know that Veretout can do those things better yet but the argument I'm making is that he should be in the team ahead of Westwood because he has done those things in a league that is not entirely dissimilar to the league we are playing in.
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We've got Gestede, Kozak and Ayew competing for one position - I think that's alright. With Grealish, Gil and Traore - we'll score goals.
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This Gradel thing really isn't relevant at all, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. Nobody can deny that Gradel scored more goals than Benteke last season, so with those stats all you can say is that last season he was more prolific. The stats would also show that Benteke has scored more goals over his career and has a better goals-per-game ratio, so you could argue that Benteke seems to be a better bet for goals than Gradel. With Veretout and Westwood, the former has scored more goals and got more assists than Westwood has in one season fewer. I'd say that would make him a better bet attacking wise.
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So you agree Max Gradel is a better goal scorer than Benteke? Comparing stats in different leagues is simply fundamentally flawed, Lexicon may well be right that Vertout is better than Westwood at these things but at the moment it remains to be seen. Nobody said that he was a better goal scorer. The stats only show that he scored more goals than Benteke did last season, they also show that Benteke has scored loads more goals over his career than Gradel has. 'Seem to' and the context was that he was better at pushing forward, not that he is just plain better.
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If we just got Lescott in, that'd be OK IMO.
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I said that based on the stats, Veretout scores more goals and gets more assists than Westwood. I didn't say that he was 'better' which I think is a more subjective and simplistic thing to say. RE: Gradel, as I said, he had a more prolific season last season than Benteke did - that's clear from the numbers but it doesn't mean that he's 'better'. I also said that I hadn't seen Veretout play but I have seen some Ligue 1 matches.
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It would also take credit away from M'Vila, who struck it brilliantly.
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Who wouldn't? That guy is a machine.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree here, I think.
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It's definitely of a lower standard but the style of play is more similar than say La Liga or Serie A, that's what I was getting at.
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4 games isn't really much of a sample, in fairness. I think you need to look at the goals we've conceded to come to the conclusion of whether the defence has been good enough and on the evidence of what we've got so far, I don't think it has.
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I wouldn't say that Ligue 1 is completely different to the prem though, in fact as far as European leagues go it's pretty close. With regards to your other point, you'd say that Gradel had a more prolific season than Benteke last season but that's about it.
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The midfield looks a lot more effectual with Sanchez as a CDM and Gana box to box, meaning that the remaining guy needs to offer something in attack IMO. Westwood could grow into that role but I think Veretout is a better bet.
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Our defence as a unit has not been good enough, so saying he's been our best defender IMO doesn't mean much.
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No, it doesn't undermine my point all - I don't need to actually see him score or assist a goal to know that he scored or assisted. The stats speak for themselves here.
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Our 'best performing defender' is like basically saying 'the shiniest turd' at the moment.
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Senderos and Clark, for me.
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He has to do more than he does, that's the point - with either defensive or attacking contributions and he doesn't really tick either of those boxes at the moment. As I said earlier, I think Sherwood's trying to get him to be more attacking.
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Did you actually see him play though? Apparently that's very important.
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These are just not true though are they? Is there a generic rap sheet of Westwood criticisms that people read off of without even fact checking? If you want to talk about fact checking, look at goals scored and the amount of interceptions he's made. Not that many in either column. Just to expand this slightly: Westwood has made an average of 1.7 interceptions for us in the premier league, per game - which isn't that bad, admittedly. He has scored 3 goals in the league in 96 appearances.
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None but I imagine our scouts did. What difference does me watching the game make?
