villabromsgrove Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 TBH it doesn't leave much room for petrov I don't think he has been anywhere - ANYWHERE - near as bad as some people have made out. But he has work to do if he is going to be up to standard next season; and although he went some way to doing that once partnered with Barry, if he is to be replaced, so be it. That said, it should just be more about a case of competition, and no-oneshould be 'replaced' in my vision of Villa, unless they are leaving the club. What we need, IMO, is competition for places over the entire park, whether it be Petrov, Sorenson, Mellberg, Carew or even Captain Barry - no-one in the team should be in the comfort zone that too many of our payers have in recent years. Absolutely right, and I'm sure that is exactly what Mon will achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Kenny would be strong back-up but exceptionally weak first choice. I doubt we'll be seeing him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeMoore Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't think he has been anywhere - ANYWHERE - near as bad as some people have made out. i agree, i'm a fan of petrov. But i think barry will be first choice in centre mid and althought i think petrov did an ok job in the holding role i don't think thats his strength so i think MON will bring in someone of real quality to play that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabby15 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Somebody on the Ic Brum forum is claiming the Defoe deal is done, don't know if he's reliable in any way it it's probably BS. Just thought i'd post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted May 16, 2007 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2007 Somebody on the Ic Brum forum is claiming the Defoe deal is done, don't know if he's reliable in any way it it's probably BS. Just thought i'd post it here. No smoke without fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 TBH it doesn't leave much room for petrov I don't think he has been anywhere - ANYWHERE - near as bad as some people have made out. But he has work to do if he is going to be up to standard next season; and although he went some way to doing that once partnered with Barry, if he is to be replaced, so be it. That said, it should just be more about a case of competition, and no-oneshould be 'replaced' in my vision of Villa, unless they are leaving the club. What we need, IMO, is competition for places over the entire park, whether it be Petrov, Sorenson, Mellberg, Carew or even Captain Barry - no-one in the team should be in the comfort zone that too many of our payers have in recent years. Absolutely right, and I'm sure that is exactly what Mon will achieve. Totally agree that feeling comfortable in a position is never good for a player. You always nedd someone to push you to develop yourself and always have the feeling that you have to your absolute best to keep your place in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Somebody on the Ic Brum forum is claiming the Defoe deal is done, don't know if he's reliable in any way it it's probably BS. Just thought i'd post it here. No smoke without fire... I'd say that that could just as easily be dry-ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFart Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Doug pulled the plug on the Defoe deal? Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Somebody on the Ic Brum forum is claiming the Defoe deal is done, don't know if he's reliable in any way it it's probably BS. Just thought i'd post it here.I hope we don't sign Defoe as I think that he duplicates what we already have. I would rather we sign a quality number 9 who could give Carew some competition and cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FernandoNelson Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 the holding role Most teams that play 4-4-2 don't have a designated holding player. I watched Gardner & Barry very closely in the last two games & both of them switched between defence & attack at will depending on where the other one was, much like the way Sidwell & Harper did for Reading. Gardner, Barry & Petrov have attacking & defensive qualities, unlike McCann & Davis who have either one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocafella Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 It's about alternatives and different roles you know, you don't attack the same way away to Chelsea as home to Watford or Sheffield United. Some players never rest and some grow accustomed to their positions because no-one is there to compete for places, thus never reaching their peaks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 the holding role Most teams that play 4-4-2 don't have a designated holding player. I watched Gardner & Barry very closely in the last two games & both of them switched between defence & attack at will depending on where the other one was, much like the way Sidwell & Harper did for Reading. Gardner, Barry & Petrov have attacking & defensive qualities, unlike McCann & Davis who have either one or the other.You're right Fernando Sidwell and Harper were key to Readings good season, and the instinctive positional play (revolving triangle) of Barry, Petrov and Gardner was very encouraging when they played together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timharding Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 If O'neill signs defoe its because he doesnt always intend to play the carew way. If we turn up at pompey say, we'd wanna play the quick mobile strikers against campbell and primus (remember the VP fixture last month) Defoe is nothing like Moore nor Gabby as people are suggesting, in fact the only thing they have in common is pace. Defoe is a very direct, clinical finisher who will literally shoot from anywhere and if we sign him we'll have a great mix in our striking four. Carew power, strength with good feet. Great at getting the ball down and laying it off. Gabby, pure pace, unpredictable almost unplayable for most defenders, Moore the more traditional striker, sufficient pace, great movement. Plus defoes as mentioned above. Different options no matter which two from 4. I find it unlikely that if Carew gets injured or dropped O'neill will want to simply plonk in a like for like (only not as good) striker and play exactly the same way. It would make us predictable. Carew for the games like Man U and spurs and arsenal, to bully ferdinand etc and pace and movement for the games like Pompey, everton etc where the defenders are less mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FernandoNelson Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Don't forget againest Blackburn, Wigan & Middlesboro recently Agbonlahor played the main striker role with Maloney just behind him to great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Someone on VT Forum says were going to sign Defoe! 1 forum another forum means diddle squat! If Spurs are selling Defoe it means they have tied up Bent, no way would they sell him unless they had a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timharding Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 he may force their hand and they may need him off the wage bill first. *note* I'm not saying this is the case just offering poss scenario's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Chelsea have the option of bringing back Crespo this summer. Loan deal to the Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 If O'neill signs defoe its because he doesnt always intend to play the carew way. If we turn up at pompey say, we'd wanna play the quick mobile strikers against campbell and primus (remember the VP fixture last month) Defoe is nothing like Moore nor Gabby as people are suggesting, in fact the only thing they have in common is pace. Defoe is a very direct, clinical finisher who will literally shoot from anywhere and if we sign him we'll have a great mix in our striking four. Carew power, strength with good feet. Great at getting the ball down and laying it off. Gabby, pure pace, unpredictable almost unplayable for most defenders, Moore the more traditional striker, sufficient pace, great movement. Plus defoes as mentioned above. Different options no matter which two from 4. I find it unlikely that if Carew gets injured or dropped O'neill will want to simply plonk in a like for like (only not as good) striker and play exactly the same way. It would make us predictable. Carew for the games like Man U and spurs and arsenal, to bully ferdinand etc and pace and movement for the games like Pompey, everton etc where the defenders are less mobile. Hypothetically what happens if Carew breaks a leg first week of september and our striker options are Defoe, Agbonlahor, Moore, Ashley Young and Maloney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBrownsGoVilla Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Then you play 4-3-3 and terrorize teams with all that speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Can't someone start a DeFoe thread?........ it would clear out 40% of the posts on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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