Bazdavies79 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Who would be a football expert then? Well he had one and got rid of him Steve Stride. For all his problems with Doug, Steve is a football man with many many contacts he made over the years and is a Villa man. What he did he did, despite Doug, never really got the praise he deserved for some of the signings and negotiations.According to Wiki he resigned. What went on there, did he resign? We improved in the immediate years after his departure, probably still in a better place than we were for much of his last decade at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 John, you've worked within the club. Can I ask a genuine question - if there's another window of under investment and we also flirt with relegation again, what do you think could be done (given the fact it appears Randy doesn't want to sell)? Like most clubs, we will have to survive on what we produce i.e. youth talent/production will become critical. Very few clubs will be able to make large signings if they want to stay within the FFP rules. Probably only the likes of Man U and Arsenal that produce profits that can be re-invested in purchasing players. I think it would make sense for the football league and Premier League to follow UEFA's rules and introduce the concept into the English game. I also think footballers contracts will have to be re-written to accommodate relegations and the consequential loss of revenue. The game really does need a high level review to cover off such items and, in an ideal world, to discuss how to make the game more competitive/interesting as the CL and wealthy owners have distorted the game massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 John would your opinion be any different if you were still employed by the club? I can't see how it could have been different Richard. My contract only ran to March 2011 anyway, so I'd probably not agree any renewal to it if I had still been there at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Who would be a football expert then? Well he had one and got rid of him Steve Stride. For all his problems with Doug, Steve is a football man with many many contacts he made over the years and is a Villa man. What he did he did, despite Doug, never really got the praise he deserved for some of the signings and negotiations. According to Wiki he resigned. What went on there, did he resign? We improved in the immediate years after his departure, probably still in a better place than we were for much of his last decade at the club. Well as he had to work under constraints of Ellis he didn't do a bad job, I did say he had CONTACTS and a certain amount of credibility with clubs he had done business with.......btw WIKIPEDIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 John would your opinion be any different if you were still employed by the club? I can't see how it could have been different Richard. My contract only ran to March 2011 anyway, so I'd probably not agree any renewal to it if I had still been there at that time. And there were people who worked for the club who weren't sacked but walked and hold the same views as John :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 John, you've worked within the club. Can I ask a genuine question - if there's another window of under investment and we also flirt with relegation again, what do you think could be done (given the fact it appears Randy doesn't want to sell)? Like most clubs, we will have to survive on what we produce i.e. youth talent/production will become critical. Very few clubs will be able to make large signings if they want to stay within the FFP rules. Probably only the likes of Man U and Arsenal that produce profits that can be re-invested in purchasing players. I think it would make sense for the football league and Premier League to follow UEFA's rules and introduce the concept into the English game. I also think footballers contracts will have to be re-written to accommodate relegations and the consequential loss of revenue. The game really does need a high level review to cover off such items and, in an ideal world, to discuss how to make the game more competitive/interesting as the CL and wealthy owners have distorted the game massively. Barry's answered for me! However, the answer is really in RL's own hands. He intimates that money is available when necessary - it's a pity that a bit more wasn't put in during the summer to boost the midfield. Otherwise I agree with Barry and also (and importantly i.m.o.) in the context of earlier discussion about the appointment of a Director of Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Is that info not accurate, Dennis B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Wiki is the most unreliable source going. I think you will find Stridey was offered the chance to retire on his full pension and took it - not resigned as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 In fact Baz read this, notice a trend? Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Fair enough, that's why I asked the question. I'm fully aware that some vandals like to ruin Wiki therefore it cannot be taken as gospel. It isn't as bad as its reputation though, I find. Did we not enjoy more success after he left though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Here is the facts, he did resign but look at the reason why Mail Story STEVE Stride gave notice of his decision to formally resign from the Villa board yesterday, 24 hours after coming to the conclusion that he was no longer needed at a club he had served with great loyalty for 35 years. Stride stepped down as operations director and club secretary but will remain at Villa until the end of May. His decision was made on Monday after weeks of soul searching and, crucially, being overlooked for two key engagements last week. He missed his first Premier League meeting, with chief executive Richard FitzGerald representing Villa, and was also overlooked for a board meeting that took place in the United States. For someone who had played such a pivotal role behind former chairman Doug Ellis - Stride had built up a tremendous reputation throughout the game as a smart administrator - he appears to have been unwilling to play merely a nominal committee role. Marion Stringer, Ellis' former personal assistant, now remains the last link with the old board. Stride, a lifelong supporter, joined the board in 1995 and six years later became operations director with responsibilities for stadium operations, football administration and football club secretarial matters. Rarely missing a fixture he decided not to go on Villa's trip to Fulham last weekend, which had indicated all was not well. Stride is likely to take a break from the game, but clubs are already believed to be weighing up moves to take advantage of his skills next season. In a statement, the Villa board thanked Stride for his service, adding that he had provided "stability and continuity during the ups and downs of the club over four decades". It continued: "Steve has been an effective ambassador for the club and has generated an enormous amount of goodwill on its behalf during his tenure. Everyone at the club thanks Steve for his contribution and wishes him and his family all the best in their future endeavours." Stride added in a prepared club statement: "As a lifelong Villa fan I have been fortunate enough to have enjoyed a career that has also been a passion. "I have experienced European and domestic success at the highest level during my 35 years at Villa Park and I now leave the club in the hands of new owners and administrators who I firmly believe have the ability and commitment to restore Aston Villa to those former glories." Stride joined Villa as an administrative assistant in 1972 when they were celebrating the Third Division title. He became the youngest club secretary in the country in 1979 when he replaced Alan Bennett. In 2002 he was appointed to the UEFA administrative experts panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaceydeaceyaggro Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Ellis wouldn't have sold our 4 best players in the space of a couple of years like Lerner did. I think getting the Champions of Europe relegated within five years was worse. Oh, and I think if you look over the transfers then you'll find similar clear outs happened under Ellis. When we sold the equivalent players back then, eg Platt and Yorke, the profits were at least reinvested in the team, eg on players like Saunders and Dublin. Spot on. Yes, Ellis did sell some of our best players but he always reinvested some if not all the cash he received. Unlike dear Randy, who seems to have run off with tens of millions of pounds. Ellis would have been hung drawn and quartered if he had pulled the same stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoINotLikeThat Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well we sold Yorke for £12 million if i rmber correctly. Dion Dublin was signed for £5 million . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrums Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yorke wanted out. After THAT performance it was clear and who would want such a c@nt playing for us? Stroppy little git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoINotLikeThat Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yes we were right to sell Yorke - had no choice. But the idea Doug Ellis made all the money from sales like that available for other transfers is just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well we sold Yorke for £12 million if i rmber correctly. Dion Dublin was signed for £5 million . Yorke was sold for £12.6m. Dublin was £5.75m, and Paul Merson was another £6.75m. Which comes to, let me see, £12.5m. That tight bastard Doug and the case of the uninvested £100K! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well we sold Yorke for £12 million if i rmber correctly. Dion Dublin was signed for £5 million . Surely Paul Merson as well - an additional £6m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yes we were right to sell Yorke - had no choice. But the idea Doug Ellis made all the money from sales like that available for other transfers is just not true. We sold Yorke for £12.6m as I say above, and within 6 weeks of his departure, we'd spent the same amount on Dublin and Merson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoINotLikeThat Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Point taken Id forgot Merson was same year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 ELLIS IN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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