sne Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 17 additional charges added in the US Anyone not see that one coming? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, sne said: 17 additional charges added in the US Anyone not see that one coming? Death penalty on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, sne said: 17 additional charges added in the US Anyone not see that one coming? No, that's all just fantasy. It was always only ever about charges in Sweden (that the Swedes dropped some years ago). Lots of people on here explained this. Keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, villakram said: Death penalty on the table. It isn't, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Assange is facing charges under the Espionage Act, which carries the death penalty. They kill many people daily, what's one more? After all, he has severely embarrassed the US government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 So do the UK extradite people who risk the death penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 It makes a bit of a mockery of the idea that Sweden trumped up some rape charges to give the US a chance to extradite him. The US never needed Sweden, it’s a separate incident which needs to be investigated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, sne said: So do the UK extradite people who risk the death penalty? Do you want the policy answer, or the real life answer? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, LondonLax said: It makes a bit of a mockery of the idea that Sweden trumped up some rape charges to give the US a chance to extradite him. The US never needed Sweden, it’s a separate incident which needs to be investigated. It was investigated. They dropped the charges. We asked them not to (what possible basis could there be for the UK asking Sweden to press rape charges against an Australian having sex with a Swede in Sweden?) It was always a setup, and It was always obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, peterms said: It was investigated. They dropped the charges. We asked them not to (what possible basis could there be for the UK asking Sweden to press rape charges against an Australian having sex with a Swede in Sweden?) It was always a setup, and It was always obvious. They never dropped the charges, they put them on hold until there was an opportunity to question him. They now want him for questioning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, LondonLax said: They never dropped the charges, they put them on hold until there was an opportunity to question him. They now want him for questioning. Not true. They questioned him. Then they dropped the charges. We were told their regulations forbade questioning him here. That was a lie. We asked them not to interview him in the embassy, and our spy services told the press to say he could not be interviewed there. A lie. The media repeated it anyway. We asked them not to drop the case. They dropped it anyway. The original prosecutor, who decided there was no case, was replaced by someone working for a firm which is run by an ex-politician who illegally extradited people to be tortured by the US. Please, see this for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, peterms said: Not true. They questioned him. Then they dropped the charges. We were told their regulations forbade questioning him here. That was a lie. We asked them not to interview him in the embassy, and our spy services told the press to say he could not be interviewed there. A lie. The media repeated it anyway. We asked them not to drop the case. They dropped it anyway. The original prosecutor, who decided there was no case, was replaced by someone working for a firm which is run by an ex-politician who illegally extradited people to be tortured by the US. Please, see this for what it is. You still haven't made a case for Sweden's motivation. Why they wanted him in the first place and why they have reopened the case now that he is out of the embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, LondonLax said: You still haven't made a case for Sweden's motivation. Why they wanted him in the first place and why they have reopened the case now that he is out of the embassy. In the first place, Swedish authorities thought a crime may have been committed, ie not using a condom, technically rape in Sweden, though not in most countries. That was dropped. They pursue the case to demonstrate subservience to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, peterms said: Please, see this for what it is. Someone accused of sexual assault in one country and accused of spying in another. Pretty dumb move to add charges that could result in the death penalty, regardless of whether you think the government will turn a blind eye to it, it still makes his removal to the US more problematic/ I also still think the European arrest warrant takes precedence and anything that happens with regards to charges and extradition will ultimately be Sweden's problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, peterms said: In the first place, Swedish authorities thought a crime may have been committed, ie not using a condom, technically rape in Sweden, though not in most countries. That was dropped. They pursue the case to demonstrate subservience to the US. They are doing nothing for the US by perusing the case. Could it be that he does actually have a case to answer in Sweden? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, peterms said: They pursue the case to demonstrate subservience to the US. Yep that's it, regardless of the victim actually asking them to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, LondonLax said: They are doing nothing for the US by perusing the case. Could it be that he does actually have a case to answer in Sweden? Yep, if Sweden get him, then it makes extradition to the US harder IMO and a much longer path as they'll have to start the process again in another country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Fwiw the penalty for rape in Sweden is usually a stern talking to, a fine and worse case scenario a few months in jail. Swedish courts see at on level with stealing a bicycle or doing some graffiti on a wall. There are cases with people actually getting sent to jail for longer periods of time, but since he's been on house arrest at the embassy I'm sure they will count it as time served and pay him back wages for for his troubles. He'll be gagged and drugged sitting on a plane to a U.S torture facility in no time. Seriously thou, the penalties for rape, and the lengths our courts go reduce sentences or acquit people for technicalities are possibly the single worse thing about Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 hours ago, bickster said: Pretty dumb move to add charges that could result in the death penalty The act carries the death penalty. I don't know whether the specific charges he faces do. If they do, then it may be possible for the US to assure our government that the death penalty won't be sought, in order not to create an obstacle to getting hold of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 hours ago, LondonLax said: They are doing nothing for the US by perusing the case. Could it be that he does actually have a case to answer in Sweden? Well, the first prosecutor didn't think so, she dropped it and told him he was free to leave, which is when he left. And the two women involved apparently went to the police in the first place to ask if he could be required to be tested for STD, not to report an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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