BOF Posted December 31, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2013 Point is the refs led him to believe it was broken on the night. They're the reason he left the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 1, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2014 "@RapSheet: Per NFL spokesman @NFLfootballinfo, Peyton Manning keeps his record: "The stats crew at the game scored this play as a forward pass."" Good. Their mess, not his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Shame for Brees to lose his record in without actually losing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyscartwright_avfc Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Shame for Brees to lose his record in without actually losing it. You don't like Peyton. We get it. Like BOF said, refs led him to believe it was broken otherwise he would stayed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 1, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2014 Point is the refs led him to believe it was broken on the night. They're the reason he left the field. However the refs have as much to do with the statistics as the ball boys. It's standard procedure to not consider the stats official until later in the week. The only real exception is for Vegas purposes, where the rules state that modifications after the game goes final are not considered. Conveniently, the league doesn't keep records of these adjustments; considering the extent to which the Saints rely on screen and swing passes and yac, it wouldn't be totally surprising if Brees had yards taken off his total. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we decide to change the rules for one competitor after the game's over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Shame for Brees to lose his record in without actually losing it. You don't like Peyton. We get it. Like BOF said, refs led him to believe it was broken otherwise he would stayed in. Are they going to go back and count all of Brees stats that he may have lost? How do they judge how many more yards Peyton would have got? All you can do it on is the facts at hand and he didn't get it. Whether it's Peyton or Eli, it's not the record. As Levi said, if they changed the rules for anyone else, people wouldn't be happy. But the love-fest for Peyton means most just turn a blind-eye to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 1, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2014 Actually. If we're going by facts at hand, then he holds the record. The love-fest is matched only by the bitter-fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I don't think many people dislike Peyton do they though? If it was Brady I could understand, there's a definite love/hate with him. I see my prediction of Falcons winning the big one was spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2014 One for Tegis & Rhys Walking Through The Broncos 2013 NFL Record Book By Colin Welsh The Broncos offense broke multiple records offensively this season. Not only Peyton Manning, but several other players were involved in these records. There were two Broncos players that set multiple individual NFL records this season. Those two players were Matt Prater and Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning: Manning broke or tied the record for: Most passing touchdowns, most passing yards, most four-touchdown passing games, most two-touchdown passing games, and most 400 yard passing games. Passing touchdowns: Previous record: 50 (2007, Tom Brady) Manning: 55 Passing Yards: Previous record: 5,476 (2011, Drew Brees) Manning: 5,477 Most four-touchdown passing games: Previous record: 6 (1984, Dan Marino, 2004, Peyton Manning) Manning: 9 Most two-touchdown passing games: Previous record: 15 (1984, Dan Marino) Manning: 15 Most 400 yard passing games: Previous record: 4 (1984, Dan Marino) Manning: 4 Matt Prater: Prater set two individual records of his own this season. He now owns the record for most extra points in a season and longest field goal. Most extra points: Previous record: 74 (2007, Stephen Gostkowski) Prater: 75 Longest field goal: Previous record: 63 (1970, Tom Dempsey, 1998, Jason Elam, 2011, Sebastian Janikowski, 2012, David Akers) Prater: 64 The 2013 Denver Broncos also set multiple team NFL records: points, touchdowns, players with 10 or more touchdowns, games with 50+ points, and points in the second half. Points: Previous record: 589 (2007, Patriots) Broncos: 606 Touchdowns: Previous record: 75 (2007, Patriots) Broncos 76 Players with 10+ touchdowns: Previous record: 3 Broncos 5 (Welker, Decker, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas, Moreno) Games with 50+ points: Previous record: 3 (1969) Broncos: 3 Points in Second half: Previous record: 299 (2012, Broncos) Broncos: 318 points As the 2013 regular season finished this past week it was filled with multiple records being broken or tied. The main goal is still winning the Super Bowl and the first step in doing so is January 12th in the divisional round. Pat Bowlen became the first owner in NFL history to win 300 or more games in his first 30 years of ownership Of course as the article explains (and as our resident non-Broncos will point out), it'll all count for very little other than a note in a record book if we don't add the big one at the end of it all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted January 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2014 Cutler signs for 7 more years, 126 million. 54 million guaranteed Can they afford a o-line to keep him upright now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyscartwright_avfc Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Of course as the article explains (and as our resident non-Broncos will point out), it'll all count for very little other than a note in a record book if we don't add the big one at the end of it all. But if we do win it all, are we the best ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivevilla Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Of course as the article explains (and as our resident non-Broncos will point out), it'll all count for very little other than a note in a record book if we don't add the big one at the end of it all. But if we do win it all, are we the best ever? Best ever team or offense? No chance on the first I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyscartwright_avfc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Of course as the article explains (and as our resident non-Broncos will point out), it'll all count for very little other than a note in a record book if we don't add the big one at the end of it all.But if we do win it all, are we the best ever? Best ever team or offense? No chance on the first I'm afraid. But there is on the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Could the 2013 Seahawks defence be considered one of the best ever? On course for 3 all-pro's in the secondary, best in practically every department all year. We lose Browner and Thurmond and Maxwell comes in and gets 4(?) picks. Depth, power, strength and we're gonna tie them all down Edited January 3, 2014 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivevilla Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Of course as the article explains (and as our resident non-Broncos will point out), it'll all count for very little other than a note in a record book if we don't add the big one at the end of it all.But if we do win it all, are we the best ever?Best ever team or offense? No chance on the first I'm afraid. But there is on the second? Most points, most touchdowns, several other team and individual records. Seems like they should at least be in the conversation. One big strike against them (in my mind) is how offensive the league is as a whole. Most of the best offensive teams in history have been in the last 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 3, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2014 The rules have consistently changed over the past 10 (or 20?) years in order to benefit (read - protect) offensive players, so I think it's an inevitability that offensive records will be broken as a result. As with all sports across many disciplines it makes it hard if not impossible to compare teams from different eras. Pele v Messi, Vettel v Fangio, Manning v Baugh. All played a very different sport to their counterpart.Statistically this Broncos are the greatest offence ever. And olivevilla is right, in a 'corrected' discussion re- eras they are at the very least in the discussion and should probably start at the top of the heap with everyone else's task being to usurp them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Better regular season team 2007 PATS or 2013 Broncos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) 2007 Pats were the better regular season team, they didn't lose plus their defense was fantastic to go with that offense. Better offense would be the Broncos for me. Edited January 3, 2014 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 3, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2014 Better regular season team 2007 PATS or 2013 Broncos?Team probably Pats owing to the Broncos' D. But in terms of best offence, Broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted January 3, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2014 Better regular season team 2007 PATS or 2013 Broncos? Team probably Pats owing to the Broncos' D. But in terms of best offence, Broncos. Yup, that's my take as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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