sellyoakvilla Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 this is O'Neill's team. That's it really. It isn't easy working with other people's toolsIt is MON's team alright, but any decent manager imo should be able to go in and get something out of a team of players, it is normal for this to happen you know, do you think he should be able to just bring in 11 new players or something??. No. There are obviously some players there he sees fitting into his side, otherwise he wouldn't be trying to change the way we played so quickly. He should be given a chance to buy 3 or 4 players who can fit into the team and see what happens. If it's not working but we miraculously stay up, fine, go, but would be foolish sacking him now. For what it's worth if we get relegated he'll get sacked but we can't afford any kneejerk reactions and I don't want us to end up with Allardyce of all managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonrx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I hate the Daily Mail, but on this occasion, I agree with that article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 There's no "instruction" from me ... only "encouragement" Absolute cobblers. ... Oh, dear. Have a Happy New Year - please. ...nowhere have I given predictions except to infer that positive action will produce positive results. And that's wrong, is it? You weren't inferring anything (see Sharpe's Wilt). Implying that positive action will necessarily produce positive results is wrong. Yes. As that is you predicting what the future will be if the course of action you put forward is taken. Hoping that it [positive action] will [produce positive results] is not a problem. Again, wrong interpretations/mis-reading I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorski Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Not sure that Randy will admit that the Board have got it wrong, But he needs to act before it is too late, the Championship is a strong possibility for us. we are not too big a club to go down, If he sticks by Houllier it will be a massive mistake and he will have to ponder lower crowds plus welcoming the Doncasters & Barnsleys etc to Villa Park next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran_villa Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Fine, we sack Houllier, who replaces him? We can't keep having short term managers otherwise we have to keep starting again every single season. Kevin Macdonald - no thanks, should never even be considered as a long term replacement for Houllier. Sam Allardyce - branded a long ball specialist and a shite manager by most on here previously but now he's good enough for Villa? Ok to get us out of this mess but If Randy won't sack Houllier what makes you think he will sack Allardyce after he's got us out of this mess?(which isn't even proven that he will) and then we will be stuck with long ball route one set piece football for 4 years. Martin Jol - Can someone please tell me what he has done to warrant such an approval from almost all Villa fans? He wasted money at Tottenham and got sacked in October, he's won one cup with Ajax and that's it. Houllier has infact won more than him in his managerial career. Infact Houllier won more honours than him at Lyon than he has in his whole career. It seems the majority are just going along with this candidate because he's the best person available, would he do better than Houllier? Not too sure. Who else?at the moment we need a british or english style manager to get these players going,because thats the type of football they are used to. for me Sam is the best that we could bring straight in. even curbs would be better than what we have imo. for what reason do you think GH is the right man to lead us out of the mess he has got us into??.the players seem to hate him, most of the fans hate him at this stage so what makes him so good, i'm sure he's never been in a relegation battle in his life so what makes GH so qualified to get us up and running?. I don't necessarily think he is the right man for the job and even I was walking out of VP last night thinking he was clueless for not making any subs until the 88th minute, but it would be irrational and incredibly foolish to sack him at the start of January when we are desperate for some players. By the time a new manager has come in and assessed the squad, had a few games to see who can play for him/who can't and identified targets, it will be February. It's just not feasible at this moment in time, if he was going to go he would have gone in Decemberif he was going to go doesnt mean its not the right time though, an new manager like Sam imo would still come in and get better out of this squad though.without signing players.at this stage we are only getting loan players anyway so Sam could do that short term anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonrx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Big Sam is good enough to manage Real Madrid - so why not us? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoakvilla Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 At the end of the day Fran I respect your opinion and that's what this message board is for but I just can't agree with you. If we got Sam Allardyce he would be here long term as Lerner won't sack Houllier so what makes you think he'll do the same with big Sam. Let's just agree to disagree as I've argued my side of this enough now so just feel like I'm going around in circles mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaRoy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 **** sake Phil Browns landed a job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'd take big Sam in a flash. I wonder if there's a difference in opinion between ST holders and none ST holders on this issue? As a ST holder, i'd take anything to keep us in the premiership, even if this meant signing Barton and employing Allardyce (whom i actually believe to be our best bet anyway). But I wonder if those who dont attend so often are more interested in the long term goals of the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I hate the Daily Mail, but on this occasion, I agree with that article Sadly enough I agree. I feel a conspiracy theory coming along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 So the club have decided to stick by Houllier? Sadly I think that is the decision that will condemn us to the Championship next season. I hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limvillian Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I cannot believe we are still debating whether or not the club should sack this useless blundering buffoon of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Article has it pretty spot on really. Get rid now. Wether he stays or goes I am still expecting relegation this season but I think we have a better chance without him, which says a lot really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoakvilla Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'd take big Sam in a flash. I wonder if there's a difference in opinion between ST holders and none ST holders on this issue? As a ST holder, i'd take anything to keep us in the premiership, even if this meant signing Barton and employing Allardyce (whom i actually believe to be our best bet anyway). But I wonder if those who dont attend so often are more interested in the long term goals of the club? Don't think you can say STH are any less of a fan than a non STH. For what it's worth I'm a season ticket holder and while Sam Allardyce might be good short term, his performance in potentially keeping us up would keep him here long term. This is my point. I do not want to see him anywhere near this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Lerwill Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I hate the Daily Mail, but on this occasion, I agree with that article Sadly enough I agree. I feel a conspiracy theory coming along. Plenty of people agreeing ... including that bit at the end implying that (all) those there were chanting that chant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 The day MON walked I really didnt want Big Sam anywhere near this club. Today I would take him in a heartbeat as I do think he would get some passion and desire in the team which is all too apparently missing at the moment. However I really wouldnt see him as a long term principal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Im a ST and i don't want big Sam, i really don't want to watch that type of footy. I guess i would be willing to take the risk of scraping 17th this season if it meant we could have a better style of play thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'd take big Sam in a flash. I wonder if there's a difference in opinion between ST holders and none ST holders on this issue? As a ST holder, i'd take anything to keep us in the premiership, even if this meant signing Barton and employing Allardyce (whom i actually believe to be our best bet anyway). But I wonder if those who dont attend so often are more interested in the long term goals of the club? Don't think you can say STH are any less of a fan than a non STH. For what it's worth I'm a season ticket holder and while Sam Allardyce might be good short term, his performance in potentially keeping us up would keep him here long term. This is my point. I do not want to see him anywhere near this club. I'm desperately trying not to enter into a "better fan" competition. But I do wonder whether those who go to the games possibly have a greater short term survival focus than those who dont go to the games. Though what you're saying goes against the grain of this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran_villa Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 At the end of the day Fran I respect your opinion and that's what this message board is for but I just can't agree with you. If we got Sam Allardyce he would be here long term as Lerner won't sack Houllier so what makes you think he'll do the same with big Sam. Let's just agree to disagree as I've argued my side of this enough now so just feel like I'm going around in circles matei respest your opinion to mate, at the end of the day we all want whats best for the club. like i have said before, i'd eat a large slice of humble pie if GH keeps us in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoakvilla Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'd take big Sam in a flash. I wonder if there's a difference in opinion between ST holders and none ST holders on this issue? As a ST holder, i'd take anything to keep us in the premiership, even if this meant signing Barton and employing Allardyce (whom i actually believe to be our best bet anyway). But I wonder if those who dont attend so often are more interested in the long term goals of the club? Don't think you can say STH are any less of a fan than a non STH. For what it's worth I'm a season ticket holder and while Sam Allardyce might be good short term, his performance in potentially keeping us up would keep him here long term. This is my point. I do not want to see him anywhere near this club. I'm desperately trying not to enter into a "better fan" competition. But I do wonder whether those who go to the games possibly have a greater short term survival focus than those who dont go to the games. Though what you're saying goes against the grain of this idea. Tricky one because I'm not sure whether STH would want to watch his football either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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