Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because they both agreed to an 8M Clause. Why on earth would Delph do that interview when he knew he would leave if a bid came in. On the other hand Lambert and Villa needed a massive boost at that time. The only people benefiting from that interview was the club. I'm convinced Delph was told to say those things. Pure PR stunt to get the fans back in the ground during a period of very low attendance,. Delph agreed with it for whatever reason. (Prob sell on fee). On top of that he was told to back a manager that was under massive pressure. Come on Mantis you're an intelligent guy. Think about it logically. What would Delph have achieved from saying all those things when he already planned to leave this summer if a bid came in?What exactly do the club get from it either? They benefited from the deal itself, not all that BS about loyalty. Why would they get him to talk about loyalty so much knowing that he was going to leave a few months later? It certainly doesn't make them look good. They benefited from the massive boost it gave to fans at the time. You have to remember these were really desperate times and the main objective was staying up. Half empty stadiums weren't going to help achieve this. Having your best player plead his loyalty in interviews would go a long way when you are desperate. They are clever people running a multi million £ business. We are the customers. They will do whatever it takes to keep us happy in the short term. Sorry, don't buy that at all. The massive boost came from the new contract, not Delph pledging his loyalty. Here's what I don't get, the club are supposed to be cool and calculating and constantly putting up smoke and mirrors to deceive the fans yet at the same time they get Delph to go on about loyalty, when they know he will probably leave? They would've been able to see how it would backfire from a mile away. Delph himself probably thought he'd be here longer than just a few more months.That's what we think we aren't the ones responsible for Million £ loses if the club get relegated. Wait, so are you saying that if Delph renewed his contract but without the fanfare about loyalty we would've been relegated? Yeah, right... Where did I say that? I said the club were desperate so would have played any stunt possible to keep us up. These aren't football people that run the club. The latest KIT images would tell you that as well as the decisions made over the last 4 years. You need to seriously stop look at the clubs decisions from a football fans perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2015 Ooooh we play Man City at home first, that's going to be tasty. Delph is going to get one hell of a reception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Where did I say that? I said the club were desperate so would have played any stunt possible to keep us up. These aren't football people that run the club. The latest KIT images would tell you that as well as the decisions made over the last 4 years. You need to seriously stop look at the clubs decisions from a football fans perspective. I wasn't sure exactly what you were trying to get across, hence why I framed it as a question. I'm not looking at the clubs decisions from a football fans perspective, in fact I'm looking at them from a purely rational perspective and that's why this whole idea that the club forced Delph to talk about loyalty doesn't make sense to me at all. And many of them may not be "football peopple" but that doesn't mean they don't have people with PR instincts. If somebody on the internet can see how it would've backfired then so too would people at the club. Edited July 11, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh621 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) **** hell some people need to get a grip. "Betrayal" - he hasn't ran off with all the money with cartoonlike money bags with 'loot' written on them like some evil pantomime villain. He's a person. He helped the club by staying and seeing us through the season. Maybe shouldn't have signed a 5 year contract but he's been here for a while - through some shit football too. Now one of the best teams in the country, with some world class players are interested. Ofcourse he'd be tempted to go. I know Villa will always be a special club to Delph and I wish him the best of luck. Only annoyed about the reported 8 million we'll be getting for a player worth at least 12 mil, and of course i'd like to see him stay but we can replace him and Sherwood knows it. Gueye has impressed critics in France and we've got some promising links. We've made some great signings, cleared dead wood and could even keep Benteke, so it's not all bad. Edited July 11, 2015 by tomh621 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Because they both agreed to an 8M Clause. Why on earth would Delph do that interview when he knew he would leave if a bid came in. On the other hand Lambert and Villa needed a massive boost at that time. The only people benefiting from that interview was the club. I'm convinced Delph was told to say those things. Pure PR stunt to get the fans back in the ground during a period of very low attendance,. Delph agreed with it for whatever reason. (Prob sell on fee). On top of that he was told to back a manager that was under massive pressure. Come on Mantis you're an intelligent guy. Think about it logically. What would Delph have achieved from saying all those things when he already planned to leave this summer if a bid came in?What exactly do the club get from it either? They benefited from the deal itself, not all that BS about loyalty. Why would they get him to talk about loyalty so much knowing that he was going to leave a few months later? It certainly doesn't make them look good. I can only say getting the fans onside and selling more tickets, we had Lambert as the manager at the time right? They must have been desperate for any good news to give sales a boost at the time.As I said, the contract renewal alone was enough. Who arranged and conducted the interviews? Was Delph supposed to decline them or even worse say nothing in the interviews? The AVFC questions were directed in such a way there was no other way to answer. Pure PR Stunt. Nothing natural about it. I'm not saying that the way the new contract itself was revealed wasn't done so in a way to get positive PR, I just don't buy this idea that they got Delph to talk up loyalty when they knew he was going leave soon anyway. Why not? There are very intelligent people running the club. They know exactly what they were doing. 3 months later who now looks the villain? Nobody will blame the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Why not? There are very intelligent people running the club. They know exactly what they were doing. 3 months later who now looks the villain? Nobody will blame the club. Except people are blaming the club and in any case they look like they've been fooled by a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I'm not saying that the way the new contract itself was revealed wasn't done so in a way to get positive PR, I just don't buy this idea that they got Delph to talk up loyalty when they knew he was going leave soon anyway. That's the only thing I don't quite believe, that they knew he was leaving almost straight away at the time. I do think they were perhaps naive in thinking he might stay long enough, and the clause wouldn't come into. Therefore taking the gamble on commissioning the "fans message" and "exclusive interview". It's right they benefited a lot from this made campaign, I mean we were all over joyed...as well as signing the contract hearing those words really was a lifter. It did work, at the time...but it's back firing now he's fuckinig off so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Why not? There are very intelligent people running the club. They know exactly what they were doing. 3 months later who now looks the villain? Nobody will blame the club. Except people are blaming the club and in any case they look like they've been fooled by a footballer. Really. Going by the consensus on Villa Talk id say about 10% are blaming the club, 10% are blaming nobody, and the rest have made Delph public enemy number 1. Talk Sport phone in's earlier suggested the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. The real lift came from the new contract, as well as what he said. Hearing a footballer saying they were loyal to the villa, and specifically saying the manager that people were starting to get on th eback of at the time was part of the reason is a real PR boost. This is all at a time when season ticket renewals were up any moment. You cannot say that the whole loyal to villa video wasn't a particular talking point amongst villa fans, our supporters coach were talking about it to no end! It's a rare commodity, so rare it doesn't actually exist. Just a bad move, all in all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Why not? There are very intelligent people running the club. They know exactly what they were doing. 3 months later who now looks the villain? Nobody will blame the club. Except people are blaming the club and in any case they look like they've been fooled by a footballer. Really. Going by the consensus on Villa Talk id say about 10% are blaming the club, 10% are blaming nobody, and the rest have made Delph public enemy number 1. Talk Sport phone in's earlier suggested the same. Well the news only broke not long ago. Even if he hadn't gone on about loyalty, people wouldn't be rushing to blame the club, there'd just be less animosity towards Delph. The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. The real lift came from the new contract, as well as what he said. Hearing a footballer saying they were loyal to the villa, and specifically saying the manager that people were starting to get on th eback of at the time was part of the reason is a real PR boost. This is all at a time when season ticket renewals were up any moment. You cannot say that the whole loyal to villa video wasn't a particular talking point amongst villa fans, our supporters coach were talking about it to no end! It's a rare commodity, so rare it doesn't actually exist. Just a bad move, all in all. I think the effect of him going on about loyalty was pretty marginal. The news could've been announced with a press release on the OS and there'd have been just as much of a buzz. Edited July 11, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. Then why are fans now grabbing on to his every word? I'll be honest. I didn't even listen to his interview at the time or give a shit about it. Everyone knows these kind of interviews are pretty much scripted and edited to make the fans happy. Not like It was live and full of emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. Then why are fans now grabbing on to his every word? I'll be honest. I didn't even listen to his interview at the time or give a shit about it. Everyone knows these kind of interviews are pretty much scripted and edited to make the fans happy. Not like It was live and full of emotion. Because he's gone back on his word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Why not? There are very intelligent people running the club. They know exactly what they were doing. 3 months later who now looks the villain? Nobody will blame the club.Except people are blaming the club and in any case they look like they've been fooled by a footballer.Really. Going by the consensus on Villa Talk id say about 10% are blaming the club, 10% are blaming nobody, and the rest have made Delph public enemy number 1. Talk Sport phone in's earlier suggested the same.Well the news only broke not long ago. Even if he hadn't gone on about loyalty, people wouldn't be rushing to blame the club, there'd just be less animosity towards Delph. The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. The real lift came from the new contract, as well as what he said. Hearing a footballer saying they were loyal to the villa, and specifically saying the manager that people were starting to get on th eback of at the time was part of the reason is a real PR boost. This is all at a time when season ticket renewals were up any moment. You cannot say that the whole loyal to villa video wasn't a particular talking point amongst villa fans, our supporters coach were talking about it to no end! It's a rare commodity, so rare it doesn't actually exist. Just a bad move, all in all.I think the effect of him going on about loyalty was pretty marginal. The news could've been announced with a press release on the OS and there'd have been just as much of a buzz. We'll never know the facts so we'll have to to agree to disagree on this one. Edited July 11, 2015 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The real lift came from the new contract, not what he said. Then why are fans now grabbing on to his every word? I'll be honest. I didn't even listen to his interview at the time or give a shit about it. Everyone knows these kind of interviews are pretty much scripted and edited to make the fans happy. Not like It was live and full of emotion. Because he's gone back on his word. Must have had his fingers crossed behind his back. Or maybe they edited that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Whatever you think on it, deliberate or not. With hindsight, it was a stupid thing to do to even commission the interview knowing the details of the contract...if this clause thing is for real. I wouldn't have wanted him to do an interview about loyalty after he'd just forced my hand to make a contract that pretty much favors the footballer in it's entirety. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I won't disagree that the club have been a bit naive, I just don't think there was any plan to force Delph to talk about loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I won't disagree that the club have been a bit naive, I just don't think there was any plan to force Delph to talk about loyalty. Just a reminder of the official interview :- https://tv.avfc.co.uk/en/AVTV/2015/05/07/Exclusive%20Delph%20on%20new%20deal Then compare it with the message to villa fans, hard to disagree there isn't a degree of scripting in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post P3te Posted July 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2015 Now it makes sense. He's taking the armband off, Jack's not happy about it, benteke is praying that he's next and gabby is telling everyone to say nothing about it all 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted July 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2015 And Sinclair's thinking "look at this idiot - doesn't he remember what happened to me at City?" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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