Barry Bannan

[Kwan]

Just go away Barry.

Take your useless corners, inability to tackle, inability to even pressure opposing ball handlers, inability to dribble past players, inability to score goals, inability to concentrate for 90 minutes, inability to play the simple pass, inability to provide the team with assists, inability to shield the ball.

Barry is a player that only looks good when he's facing forward without a player pressuring him so he can have all the diddly time in the world to make a pass.

And the worst of it all is that he thinks he's so much better. You are not Xavi. You are not Iniesta. You are not some average little Spanish player. Hell, you're not even Ashley Westwood.

Just go away and find a team that literally requires you to pass the ball under no pressure and ask nothing else from you.

[R.I.C.O.]

I'm not sure how you can sell an easy 3 yard pass under no pressure as being someone's highlight of the season. Clutching at straws.

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

Sorry I don't care what style you have.

If you have a big impact on a team winning games then there will always be a place for you in the team.

 

You might not care about the style of play a player has, but the fact of the matter is the impact a player has is dependent on the type of player they are. Leon Britton is a big part of Swansea's game, but put him in our squad and he wouldn't nearly have as much as an impact, conversely Sylla makes a big impact for us because of his athleticism and ability to break down play, however he wouldn't get a sniff in Swansea's team because he isn't technical enough. The style of play has a massive impact on how much of an impact one has.

 

As for Bannan although he contributed to our victories, he unfortunately doesn't fit our style of play going forward, which is why he is getting sold.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Cambridge-AVFC

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

 

 

He very much does fit our style of play. Lambert gave him his chance over and over and over again. It then became clear he just isn't good enough and he got dumped.

 

I remember John Gregory telling Vassell when he first came through the ranks at Villa that he is going to play the next 10 games no matter how badly he plays. It's was an excellent piece of man-management because it takes the pressure totally off the player and lets them play with freedom and express themselves.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if this is what Lambert did with Bannan... only during his run in the team he was get worse and worse and worse and it culminated in that appalling performance against Liverpool and he hasn't been seen again since. It became clear during that run that he wasn't good enough and the reason why Lambert is turning into a Villa favorite and an excellent manager is because he picks up on these things and acts on it.

 

No he doesn't fit our style of play. Barry Bannan will thrive in a team who are very possession orientated teams and/or a team who have relatively slow build up play. We're the opposite to that, although we can pass the ball around, we're very much all action, high energy and really fast tempo. That's great for a player like Delph, who likes to run with the ball and loves to put in a tackle. But for someone like Bannan, a player who isn't really athletic or dynamic, but instead relies on his technical ability. Our style of play doesn't work for him. He isn't dynamic enough.

 

Although Bannan was poor against Liverpool, against Reading and QPR(i.e. the 2 games before) he played very well. Also Bannan had more good games than bad, but ultimately I think the reason Bannan was dropped was because of Delph's better form(at the time). He played no worse than Delph did over the course of the season. The reason why he's leaving is because he's not suited to our system, not because of his ability.

[Big_John_10]

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

Sorry I don't care what style you have.

If you have a big impact on a team winning games then there will always be a place for you in the team.

You might not care about the style of play a player has, but the fact of the matter is the impact a player has is dependent on the type of player they are. Leon Britton is a big part of Swansea's game, but put him in our squad and he wouldn't nearly have as much as an impact, conversely Sylla makes a big impact for us because of his athleticism and ability to break down play, however he wouldn't get a sniff in Swansea's team because he isn't technical enough. The style of play has a massive impact on how much of an impact one has.

As for Bannan although he contributed to our victories, he unfortunately doesn't fit our style of play going forward, which is why he is getting sold.

That's rubbish.

Your point about Leon Britton makes no sense. He might not fit our style and he wouldn't have an impact. Yet you seem to be arguing that bannan doesn't suit our style but does have an impact. Like I said regardless of fitting a style or not if you have an impact on the team winning you will be picked.

He doesn't have an impact on us winning that's why the manager is prepared to let him go and that's probably why no decent team will sign him.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Big_John_10

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

 

 

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

Sorry I don't care what style you have.

If you have a big impact on a team winning games then there will always be a place for you in the team.

You might not care about the style of play a player has, but the fact of the matter is the impact a player has is dependent on the type of player they are. Leon Britton is a big part of Swansea's game, but put him in our squad and he wouldn't nearly have as much as an impact, conversely Sylla makes a big impact for us because of his athleticism and ability to break down play, however he wouldn't get a sniff in Swansea's team because he isn't technical enough. The style of play has a massive impact on how much of an impact one has.

As for Bannan although he contributed to our victories, he unfortunately doesn't fit our style of play going forward, which is why he is getting sold.

That's rubbish.

Your point about Leon Britton makes no sense. He might not fit our style and he wouldn't have an impact. Yet you seem to be arguing that bannan doesn't suit our style but does have an impact. Like I said regardless of fitting a style or not if you have an impact on the team winning you will be picked.

He doesn't have an impact on us winning that's why the manager is prepared to let him go and that's probably why no decent team will sign him.

 

I said he wouldn't nearly have as an much as an impact, I didn't say he wouldn't have an impact. Same with Bannan, he does have an impact in our team and he does contribute, however not as much as he would do if he was with a more possession orientated team. The reason why he was dropped was because Delph's form was better at the tail end of the season. 

[Big_John_10]

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

[Cambridge-AVFC]

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

[daggy_333]

 

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

 

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

[vandaq]

Well too bad we are Aston Villa and we would rather have Delph. 

[RimmyJimmer]

Delph is, by some distance, a better player than bannan. I think we will see just how good he is this coming season. Bannan does look really good on the ball at times, when he has the time to put his foot on it, which isn't often in the premiere league. Difference is delph makes that time and space. Bannan just isn't good enough at this level. He'll make a good championship player at best regardless of any teams style of play

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

 

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

 

By footballer, I mean technical ability as oppose to effectiveness. I think Barry Bannan is a far superior player technically, however Delph is far for athletic.

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

 

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

 

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

 

By footballer, I mean technical ability as oppose to effectiveness. I think Barry Bannan is a far superior player technically, however Delph is far more athletic.

 

[AstonMartin82]

 

 

 

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

 

 

He very much does fit our style of play. Lambert gave him his chance over and over and over again. It then became clear he just isn't good enough and he got dumped.

 

I remember John Gregory telling Vassell when he first came through the ranks at Villa that he is going to play the next 10 games no matter how badly he plays. It's was an excellent piece of man-management because it takes the pressure totally off the player and lets them play with freedom and express themselves.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if this is what Lambert did with Bannan... only during his run in the team he was get worse and worse and worse and it culminated in that appalling performance against Liverpool and he hasn't been seen again since. It became clear during that run that he wasn't good enough and the reason why Lambert is turning into a Villa favorite and an excellent manager is because he picks up on these things and acts on it.

 

 

Although Bannan was poor against Liverpool, against Reading and QPR(i.e. the 2 games before) he played very well. Also Bannan had more good games than bad, but ultimately I think the reason Bannan was dropped was because of Delph's better form(at the time). He played no worse than Delph did over the course of the season. The reason why he's leaving is because he's not suited to our system, not because of his ability.

 

 

He didn't play very well against QPR or Reading. This is a myth.

 

I hate to do this but according to whoscored.com against Reading Bannan scored 6.9 - the 3rd worst player for us. One of the 2 he beat scored an own goal.

 

Against Reading he was the 2nd worst player for us.

 

Just because Con came on the site after these games crowing about how Bannan had been part of 2 wins in a row and just because he didn't do any back passes that put the opposition straight through on goal really doesn't mean he was excellent. Con's propaganda has caught you here... don't fall for it.

 

I remember these two games very well as I was specifically looking out for Bannan due to Con's claims of his being world class and whilst I'll agree these were probably his best two games of the season but he was still very poor, incredibly ineffective and remember it was against the bottom 2 clubs in the league... who are now Championship standard.

 

If you want I can go through every game he played last season and give his ranking against other players but it won't be good reading and will undoubtedly rebuff your "he had more good games than bad" because he really didn't.

[RimmyJimmer]

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

By footballer, I mean technical ability as oppose to effectiveness. I think Barry Bannan is a far superior player technically, however Delph is far for athletic.

Still disagree....Delph is better technically. The only attribute bannan may have an edge over Delph is his long range passing. His 'hollywood' balls are a myth :-)

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

 

 

Then why does it look like lambert has no problems selling him? If he can have such an influence on a team winning why didn't he play more? Why aren't top teams coming in for him?

He doesn't fit our style of play. We're a very dynamic team and Bannan isn't very dynamic. However, having said that Bannan did contribute to our victories, to say he didn't is harsh.

 

 

He very much does fit our style of play. Lambert gave him his chance over and over and over again. It then became clear he just isn't good enough and he got dumped.

 

I remember John Gregory telling Vassell when he first came through the ranks at Villa that he is going to play the next 10 games no matter how badly he plays. It's was an excellent piece of man-management because it takes the pressure totally off the player and lets them play with freedom and express themselves.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if this is what Lambert did with Bannan... only during his run in the team he was get worse and worse and worse and it culminated in that appalling performance against Liverpool and he hasn't been seen again since. It became clear during that run that he wasn't good enough and the reason why Lambert is turning into a Villa favorite and an excellent manager is because he picks up on these things and acts on it.

 

 

Although Bannan was poor against Liverpool, against Reading and QPR(i.e. the 2 games before) he played very well. Also Bannan had more good games than bad, but ultimately I think the reason Bannan was dropped was because of Delph's better form(at the time). He played no worse than Delph did over the course of the season. The reason why he's leaving is because he's not suited to our system, not because of his ability.

 

 

He didn't play very well against QPR or Reading. This is a myth.

 

I hate to do this but according to whoscored.com against Reading Bannan scored 6.9 - the 3rd worst player for us. One of the 2 he beat scored an own goal.

 

Against Reading he was the 2nd worst player for us.

 

Just because Con came on the site after these games crowing about how Bannan had been part of 2 wins in a row and just because he didn't do any back passes that put the opposition straight through on goal really doesn't mean he was excellent. Con's propaganda has caught you here... don't fall for it.

 

I remember these two games very well as I was specifically looking out for Bannan due to Con's claims of his being world class and whilst I'll agree these were probably his best two games of the season but he was still very poor, incredibly ineffective and remember it was against the bottom 2 clubs in the league... who are now Championship standard.

 

If you want I can go through every game he played last season and give his ranking against other players but it won't be good reading and will undoubtedly rebuff your "he had more good games than bad" because he really didn't.

 

Could you please do go through every game?

[Cambridge-AVFC]

 

 

 

 

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

By footballer, I mean technical ability as oppose to effectiveness. I think Barry Bannan is a far superior player technically, however Delph is far for athletic.

Still disagree....Delph is better technically. The only attribute bannan may have an edge over Delph is his long range passing. His 'hollywood' balls are a myth :-)

 

Well I strongly disagree with that, Delph hasn't showcased much technical ability throughout his time at Villa. He is very effective at what he does, but he doesn't touch Bannan when it comes to technical ability. Bannan has a better long pass, he's a better crosser, he's a better free kick taker, I'd say Bannan has a better shot, Bannan's passing is better and Bannan's ball control is better. I fail to see how Delph is better technically.

[RimmyJimmer]

Because Delph is a better player and contributes more.

Bannan is a very limited player who isn't good enough to play for us.

Well Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, but Delph has better physical attributes, also Delph is more direct. For the system we play you're probably right Delph does contribute more than Bannan for his defensive work. However you ask a team like Swansea who they'd rather have, Bannan wins hands down.

Very debatable that Bannan is a better footballer than Delph, i disagree if i'm honest.

By footballer, I mean technical ability as oppose to effectiveness. I think Barry Bannan is a far superior player technically, however Delph is far for athletic.

Still disagree....Delph is better technically. The only attribute bannan may have an edge over Delph is his long range passing. His 'hollywood' balls are a myth :-)

Well I strongly disagree with that, Delph hasn't showcased much technica l ability throughout his time at Villa. He is very effective at what he does, but he doesn't touch Bannan when it comes to technical ability. Bannan has a better long pass, he's a better crosser, he's a better free kick taker, I'd say Bannan has a better shot, Bannan's passing is better and Bannan's ball control is better. I fail to see how Delph is better technically.

Where is the evidence of these corners, crosses and free kicks? His corners and free kicks were consistently shyte...better than Delph tho....cause he didn't take any :-) Bannan can look ok in some games, generally against poorer teams. Did u see Delph against wigan? He was superb....and 'technically' superb. Never seen that level of performance from bannan

[thunderball]

For me, we could do better than both Bannan AND Delph. But Delph has improved this season (and frankly needed to after showing little of why we paid £7m for him) whereas Bannan has gone backwards - from a pretty low starting point.

Wont be sorry to see Bannan go, he's no Modric/Arteta.

Edited June 15, 2013 by thunderball

[RimmyJimmer]

What is it with this stubborn insistence from some fans that bannan is so 'technically' good? If he was that fookin good he'd be playing games. Several managers have given him a go then dropped him. To me that says that he has some ability but is just not good enough for this level. I would be amazed if he moves to another prem club that finishes above us. My guess is he will find his level in the championship, like whats-his-face at cardiff