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what utter rubbish that article is. (sorry Levi)

The abolishment of Quango's has always been a Tory Holy Grail. The fact that they are now bleating (with massive hypocrisy) about how the list was leaked shows them up for yet another cock up. There has been a lot of views from people a lot more informed than the author of that article on how bad a lot of those cuts are the impact will be very significant. For the ConDem's it seems that its all down to saving a few pounds and **** the real consequences, interestingly they are still keen on then private enterprise being used which of course costs more money.

Also as the Mail of all things said

Dozens listed for the axe are advisory bodies which cost the taxpayer very little

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315076/200-quangos-face-axe-really-go.html#ixzz10bzktE00

The current figure being talked about is 70,000 jobs to feed this desire to see any sort of Quango dissapear. How much will that affect the economy, these people and our commitments to them and their family does not dissapear, plus we lose their contribution to areas such as Tax etc

On a more general point, teh ConDem often use Greece as some sort of example, but considering that Ireland is probably a better example of similar policy on massive quick and very harsh cutbacks, how little do the ConDem's say now about the fact that they are into recession as a result of this.

Of course the Hedge Fund and Tax thief's who fund the Tory party and the cuckold actions of Clegg and Alexander etc wont mind this, but I suspect that the UK people will be more than a bit miffed and wont be easily distracted with news of babies sleeping in boxes

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The current figure being talked about is 70,000 jobs to feed this desire to see any sort of Quango dissapear. How much will that affect the economy, these people and our commitments to them and their family does not dissapear, plus we lose their contribution to areas such as Tax etc

Contributions to tax? The tax they pay is simply a small proportion of the tax that is used to pay for them in the first place!

Ian, can you recognise the very simple fact that we have too many public sector jobs and the private sector cannot afford to pay for them all? Truth be told it never could, which is why Brown was still borrowing more than the public tax take even when the property bubble ponsi-scheme was still booming. How are we as a country supposed to afford those jobs now when we have a colossal deficit?

On a more general point, teh ConDem often use Greece as some sort of example, but considering that Ireland is probably a better example of similar policy on massive quick and very harsh cutbacks, how little do the ConDem's say now about the fact that they are into recession as a result of this.

As you liked to say, if Greece is not a reliable comparison to the UK due to the fundamentally different size and structure of its economy, how can you then compare the UK economy to that of Ireland and expect to draw reliable conclusions?

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Public bodies (Quangos) to be abolished (177):

Administrative Justice and Tribunal Council

Advisory Board on the Registration of Homeopathic Products

Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens

Advisory Committee on Antimicrobial Resistance and Healthcare Associated Infections

Advisory Committee on Borderline Substances

Advisory Committee on Carbon Abatement Technologies

Advisory Committee on Historic Wreck Sites

Advisory Committee on National Historic Ships

Advisory Committee on Organic Standards

Advisory Committee on Packaging

Advisory Committee on Pesticides

Advisory Committee on the Government Art Collection

Advisory Committee on the safety of Blood, Tissues and Organs

Advisory Council on Libraries

Advisory Group on Hepatitis

Advisory Panel on Local Innovation Awards

Advisory Panel on Standards for the Planning Inspectorate

Agricultural Dwelling House Committees (16 bodies)

Agricultural Wages Board for England and Wales

Agricultural Wages Committees (15 bodies)

Air Quality Expert Group

Alcohol Education and Research Council

Animal Welfare Advisory Committee

Appointments Commission

Audit Commission

British Educational Communications and Technology Agency

British Nuclear Fuels

British Shipbuilders

British Waterways

Capacity Builders

Caribbean Board

Churches Conservation Trust

Commission for Integrated Transport

Commission for Rural Communities

Commissioner for the Compact

Committee on Agricultural Valuation

Committee on Carcogenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment

Committee on Medical Aspects of Air Pollutants

Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation in the Environment

Committee on Mutagenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment

Committee on the Safety of Devices

Commons Commissioners

Consular Stakeholder Panel

Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence

Courts Boards (19 bodies)

Crown Court Rule Committee

Cycling England

Darwin Advisory Committee

Disability Employment Advisory Committee

Disability Living/Attendance Allowance Advisory Board

Disabled Persons' Transport Advisory Committee

Expert Advisory Group on HIV/AIDS

Expert Panel on Air Quality Standards

Farm Animal Welfare Council

Food from Britain

Foreign Compensation Commission

Gene Therapy Advisory Committee

General Social Care Council

General Teaching Council for England

Genetics and Insurance Committee

Government Hospitality Advisory Committee on the Purchase of Wines

Government Strategic Marketing Advisory Board

Health Protection Agency

Hearing Aid Council

Herbal Medicines Advisory Committee

HM Inspectorate of Court Administration

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority

Human Genetics Commission

Human Tissue Authority

Independent Advisory Group of Sexual Health and HIV

Independent Advisory Group on Teenage Pregnancy

Independent Living Fund

Independent Review Panel for the Classification of Borderline Products

Independent Review Panel on the Advertising of Medicines

Infrastructure Planning Commission

Inland Waterways Advisory Council

Insolvency Practitioners Tribunal

Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisations

Legal Deposit Advisory Panel

Legal Services Commission

Legal Services Ombudsman

London Thames Gateway Development Corporation*

Main Honours Advisory Committee

Maqistrates' Court Rule Committee

Museums, Libraries and Archives Council

National Housing and Planning Advice Unit

National Information Governance Board

National Joint Registry Steering Committee

National Policing Improvement Agency

National Standing Committee for Farm Animal Genetic Resources

National Tenant Voice

National Endowment for Science, Technology and Arts

Office for the Civil Society Advisory Bodies

Olympic Park Legacy Company*

Pesticides Residues Committee

Public Guardian Board

Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency

Railway Heritage Committee

Regional Development Agencies (8 bodies)

Renewables Advisory Board

Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution

School Food Trust

School Support Staff Negotiating Body

Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition

Security Commission

Security Industry Authority

SITPRO

Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee

Standards Board for England

Strategic Advisory Board for Intellectual Property

Sustainable Development Commission

Teachers TV Board

The Theatres Trust

Thurrock Thames Gateway Development Corporation*

UK Chemical Weapons Convention National Authority Advisory Committee

UK Film Council

Union Modernisation Advisory Fund

Veterinary Residues Committee

Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Advisory Board

West Northamptonshire Development Corporation*

Women's National Commission

Zoos Forum

* = Responsibility devolved to relevant Local Authority

Total saving of 5.2 billion. Not a bad start eh?

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Jon - I see you are still preaching that Tory mantra - funny how you see a Quango as a bad thing when even the Mail acknowledges it not to be so. Firstly the hypocrisy of Cameron et al in bleating about a leak of the list, no comment? Secondly you seem to be stuck in that mindset of all Quango's contribute nothing whatsoever to the UK. Why is that or have you just brought into the ConDem statement of Public service being to root of all evil and must be abolished and we can count the pennies and all rejoice with our friends from the Banks?

I notice you are happy for people to be out of work and some how justify this by saying because a proportion of their funding is from the state its OK then.

Still you put no blame whatsoever onto the banking sector for any of the financial issues, again following the ConDem policy.

As for Greece and Ireland, sorry but who's rules are we playing to here? Time after time after time you and many Tory supporters use Greece as the justification. I was merely highlighting a fact re Ireland, but as that doesn't fit in with the rules, we have to ignore it?

There are some real simple facts here, the ConDem's are looking after their paymasters, the old Tory principle of being not bothered about the impacts on the majority of the UK population is alive and well, and is about to hit the UK with an enormous force. In the mean time, screw up and hypocrisy are being shown not to be some dodgy London Law firm, but to be the summing up of this Gvmt.

The banks are taking the piss out of the Condems - link - so who do they go after next, of yeah of course the man in the street.

Maybe we will see more of the attacks on front line services that you claimed would never happen but we see examples of on a near daily basis.

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Jon - I see you are still preaching that Tory mantra - funny how you see a Quango as a bad thing when even the Mail acknowledges it not to be so. Firstly the hypocrisy of Cameron et al in bleating about a leak of the list, no comment? Secondly you seem to be stuck in that mindset of all Quango's contribute nothing whatsoever to the UK. Why is that or have you just brought into the ConDem statement of Public service being to root of all evil and must be abolished and we can count the pennies and all rejoice with our friends from the Banks?

I've said nothing of the sort and the above post is frankly nonsense.

I notice you are happy for people to be out of work and some how justify this by saying because a proportion of their funding is from the state its OK then.

I'm not "happy" for people to be out of work at all, I'm asking you whether you accept that the public sector can no longer afford to employ so many people? There is a big difference between being happy and being realistic. Unsurprisingly, instead of answering the question you try to turn it round onto what you seem to think is my opinion - and get it spectacularly wrong.

Still you put no blame whatsoever onto the banking sector for any of the financial issues, again following the ConDem policy.

Again, a load of twaddle. The Banks caused the crisis, the Government were seriously at fault for:

a) Running a deficit during the good times and not being prepared for trouble - directly due to Gordon believing his own hype about abolishing boom and bust.

B) Setting a regulatory environment that allowed the banks to go crazy in the first place.

I've said that consistently for years but for some reason you continue to write something different and call it my opinion.

As for Greece and Ireland, sorry but who's rules are we playing to here? Time after time after time you and many Tory supporters use Greece as the justification. I was merely highlighting a fact re Ireland, but as that doesn't fit in with the rules, we have to ignore it?

It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it?

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Does the country need all of those quangos? How did we manage before we had them? After 177 have gone, how many will be left?

I don't know the answers to any of those questions. I suspect that only a small number of those above perform genuinely valuable work and I also wonder how long many of them have been around. In the spirit of wanting elected people to give us value for their wages, I wonder if these elected reps couldn't do much of what the quangos were set up to do. Yes. Take advice from outside experts, but do we really need these permanent, non-elected bodies in perpetuity?

It looks like, as none of these questions have been addresses that the government has just decided it can do without these quangos, either to cut costs or because it doesn't like quangos full stop.

"What do my taxes pay for them to actually do?" seems like a fair question. Someone needs to explain.

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Does the country need all of those quangos? How did we manage before we had them? After 177 have gone, how many will be left?

Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies)

Construction and Skills Training Board

Engineering Construction Industry

Film Industry Training Board

The Tote Board

Public bodies to be merged or consolidated (Maximum of 129 bodies reduced to Minimum of 57)

Advisory Committees on Justices of the Peace, (101 bodies – to be reduced to 49)

Central Arbitration Committee, Single Arbitration Panel

Certification Office, (as above)

Competition Appeals Tribunal, Single Tribunals Service

Competition Service, (as above)

Copyright Tribunal, (as above)

Police Advisory Board, (as above)

Police Negotiating Board, (as above)

Police Arbitration Tribunal, (as above)

Rent Assessment Panels, (as above)

Residential Property Tribunal Service, (as above)

Valuation Tribunal for England, (as above)

Valuation Tribunal Service, (as above)

Crown Prosecution Service, Single Prosecution Service

Revenue and Customs Prosecutions Office, (as above)

English Heritage, Single Heritage Body

National Heritage Memorial Fund, (as above)

National Heritage Lottery Fund, (as above)

Football Licensing Authority, Single Sport Body

Sport England, (as above)

UK Sport, (as above)

Gambling Commission, Single Gambling Regulator

National Lottery Commission, (as above)

Ofcom, Single Communications Regulator

Postcomm, (as above)

Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner, Single Immigration Body

Pensions Ombudsman, Single Pensions Regulator

Pensions Protection Fund Ombudsman, (as above)

Serious Organised Crime Agency, Merged into National Crime Agency

Public bodies still under review (94 bodies)

Advisory Committee on Conscientious Objectors [didn't realise we still had conscription!!]

Advisory Council on Public Records

Advisory Council on National Records and Archives

Advisory Council on Historical Manuscripts

Advisory Panel on Public Sector Information

Agricultural and Horticultural Development Board

Animal Procedures Committee

BBC World Service

British Council

British Hallmarking Council

Building Regulations Advisory Committee

Carbon Trust

Chief Coroner of England and Wales

Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission

Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service

Children's Workforce Development Council

Civil Justice Council

Coal Authority

Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment

Community Development Foundation

Competition Commission

Consumer Council for Water

Consumer Focus

Covent Garden Market Authority

Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority

Design Council

Diplomatic Service Appeals Board

Exports Credit Guarantee Department

Energy Savings Trust

Environment Agency

Equality and Human Rights Commission

Family Justice Council

Firebuy

Forestry Commission

Fuel Poverty Advisory Group

Historic Royal Palaces

Homes and Community Agency

Horserace Betting Levy Board

Independent Safeguarding Authority

Industrial Development Advisory Board

Investigatory Powers Tribunal

Joint Nature Conservation Committee

Law Commission of England and Wales

Leasehold Advisory Service

Local Better Regulation Office

National Museums and Galleries (18 bodies*)

National Army Museum

National College for Leadership of Schools and Children's Services

National Employer Advisory Board

National Forest Company

National Museum of the Royal Navy

Natural England

Office for Fair Access

Office for Fair Trading

OFWAT

Partnership for Schools

Public Lending Right Committee

Public Trustee Youth Justice Board

Rail Passengers' Committee

Remploy, Ltd.

Renewable Fuels Agency

Royal Air Force Museum

Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew

Royal Mint Advisory Committee on the Design of Coins, Medals, Seals and Decorations

Sea Fish Industry Authority

Student Loans Company

Tenant Services Authority

The National Archives

The Office of the Children's Commissioner

The Pensions Advisory Service

Training and Development Agency for Schools

UK Atomic Energy Agency

UK India Round Table

UK Supreme Court

Visit Britain

Visit England

Young People's Learning Agency

* Refers to those National Museums and Galleries in England which are publicly-funded by DCMS and receive rebates of VAT incurred in the course of their activities, in order them to enable free admission to the public.

Public bodies which will be retained (350 bodies)

ACAS

Administration of Radioactive Substances Advisory Committee

Advisory Committee on Business Appointments

Advisory Committee on Civil Costs

Advisory Committee on Clinical Excellence Awards

Advisory Committee on Hazardous Substances

Advisory Committee on Releases to the Environment

Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs

Advisory Group on Military Medicine

Agricultural Land Tribunal

Architects Registration Board

Armed Forces Pay Review Body

Arts Council England

BBC

Big Lottery Fund

British Railway Board (Residuary) Ltd

British Library

British Pharmocopoeia Commission

British Transport Police

British Wool Marketing Board

Broads Authority

Capital for Enterprise

Care Quality Commission

Central Advisory Committee on Pensions and Compensation

Central Office of Information

Channel 4

Charity Commission for England and Wales

Civil Aviation Authority

Civil Nuclear Police Authority and Constabulary

Civil Procedure Rule Committee

Civil Service Appeals Board

Commission on Human Medicines

Committee on Climate Change

Committee on Radioactive Waste Management

Committee on Standards in Public Life

Commonwealth Development Corporation

Commonwealth Scholarship Commission

Courts Fund Office

Criminal Cases Review Commission

Criminal Procedure Rule Committee

Defence Nuclear Safety Committee

Defence Scientific Advisory Council

Equality 2025

Family Procedure Rule Committee

Fire Service College

Food Standards Agency

Forensic Science Service

Gangmasters Licensing Authority

Great North Eastern Railways Ltd

Higher Education Funding Council for England

HM Inspectorate of Prisons

HM Inspectorate of Probation

HM Land Registry

Horserace Betting Levy Appeal Tribunal

House of Lords Appointment Commission

Independent Advisory Panels on Deaths in Custody

Independent Agricultural Appeals Panel

Independent Housing Ombudsman

Independent Monitoring Board for the Military Corrective Training Centre

Independent Police Complaints Commission

Independent Prison Monitoring Boards (147 bodies)

Independent Reconfiguration Panel

Industrial Injuries Advisory Council

Information Commissioner's Office

Insolvency Rules Committee

Judicial Appointments Commission

Judicial Appointments and Conduct Ombudsman

Land Registration Rule Committee

Legal Services Board

Local Government Ombudsman

London and Continental Railways Ltd

Low Pay Commission

Marine Management Organisation

Marshall Aid Foundation

Medical Education England

Migration Advisory Committee

Monitor

National DNA Database Ethics Group

National Employment Savings Trust

National Parks Authorities (9 bodies)

National Savings and Investments

National School of Government

Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes

NHS Pay Review Body

Northern Lighthouse Board

Nuclear Decommissioning Authority

Nuclear Liabilities Board

Nuclear Liability Financing Assurance Board

Nuclear Research Advisory Council

Office of Judicial Complaints

Office for Legal Complaints

Office of Manpower Economics

Office of Rail Regulation

Office of Surveillance Commissioners

Office of the Public Guardian

Official Solicitor

Ofgem

Ofqual

Ofsted

Oil and Pipelines Agency

Olympic Delivery Authority

Olympic Lottery Distributor

Ordnance Survey

Parole Board

Partnerships UK

Pension Protection Fund

Pensions Regulator

Planning Inspectorate

Plant Varieties and Seeds Tribunal

Police Discipline Appeals Tribunal

Prison Services Pay Review Body

Prisons and Probation Ombudsman

Probation Trusts (35 bodies)

Research Councils (7 bodies)

Restraint Accreditation Board

Review Board for Government Contracts

Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration

Reviewing Committee on the Export of Works of Art

Royal Mail Holdings Plc

S4C

School Teachers' Review Body

Science Advisory Council

Scientific Advisory Committee on the Medical Implications of Less-Lethal Weapons

Security Vetting Appeals Panel

Senior Salaries Review Body

Sentencing Council for England and Wales

Social Security Advisory Committee

Technical Advisory Board

Technical Assessor for Compensation of Miscarriages of Justice

Technology Strategy Board

The Royal Mint

The Westminster Foundation for Democracy

Traffic Commissioners and Deputies

Treasure Valuation Committee

Tribunals Procedure Rule Committee

Tribunals Service

Trinity House Lighthouse Service

UK Anti Doping

UK Commission for Employment and Skills

UK Trade and Investment

Veterans Advisory and Pensions Committees (13 bodies)

Veterinary Products Committee

Victims Commissioner

Victim's Advisory Panel

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It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it?

:-) - Jon you are the one setting the rules here along with idiotic comments from people trying to justify this flawed approach in the media. The fact that the Irish experience has shown the approach to be seriously flawed is worthy of note for this gvmt. The speed and the level of the cuts will be far too detrimental and will hit the UK with a force that will many do not realise yet.

I notice you wont answer any of the points - ironic how YOU are the one turning things around, this is supposed to be a thread about your boys in power. I'd be very interested to see how when you claim not be anti-quango (as many Tory supporters are) but then offer nothing more than a fact about perceived savings as justification for them being got rid of.

Pete, being non-elected in this sense means nowt. The support mechanism for all areas of Gvmt, society and all that makes this country isn't elected. As for what they do, then you can't put a blanket answer to that either as each have individual responsibilities. The current gvmt though are seemingly happy to put them into the same pot and attack based on nothing more than false economics.

Lets pick out a few as examples, the audit Commision - who will now do their work and who will pay for it? The "accountability" then for their decisions and their work is where exactly? Look at the proposal to crap "visit britain" - who was it just a few weeks back that said britain needed tourism? - Oh yes Mr D. Cameron of various houses in the south east, etc etc

the whole thing with the Quango argument is that while the ConDem's are happy to try and demonize the whole Quango setup, the reality is that they wont go away

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Maggie said she'd cut quangos. They increased under her govt.

Blair said he'd cut quangos. They increased under his govt.

Quangos are on the whole, a bad idea, an undemocratic outsourcing of responsibility.

Public bodies to be merged or consolidated (Maximum of 129 bodies reduced to Minimum of 57)

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Ofcom, Single Communications Regulator

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It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it?

:-) - Jon you are the one setting the rules here along with idiotic comments from people trying to justify this flawed approach in the media. The fact that the Irish experience has shown the approach to be seriously flawed is worthy of note for this gvmt. The speed and the level of the cuts will be far too detrimental and will hit the UK with a force that will many do not realise yet.

So no answer then, colour me shocked.

I notice you wont answer any of the points - ironic how YOU are the one turning things around, this is supposed to be a thread about your boys in power.

My apologies, I didn't realise you'd made any points?

I'd be very interested to see how when you claim not be anti-quango (as many Tory supporters are) but then offer nothing more than a fact about perceived savings as justification for them being got rid of.

Savings is the number one game in town if you hadn't noticed and I'd far rather it was the well paid members of the Advisory Committee on Packing, or the Committee on the Safety of Devices, or the Darwin Advisory Committee than frontline staff in the NHS, Education or the Armed Forces losing their jobs if jobs have to go. Wouldn't you? Don't you think the frontline lower paid workers contribute more than the above mention quangos to society?

We can't do it all and the country has to start living within its means in order to pay off our debts. I don't think that is totally outrageous statement to make tbh.

As an aside, how many of these bodies have been created since 1997 and how do we keep the sky from falling in pre 1997 without them?

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Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies)

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The Tote Board

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He he he. Good luck with that.

Dunno, they'll probably manage it this time. They've been running the group down (standard pre-privatisation govt policy) so that the sale will make less of a splash. Expect the company to be granted a new 10 year monopoly on pool betting to make the sale process a little easier
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A good article about Quango's from the Grud

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Of course the devout followers of the Tory party will see these as all being necessary and a good thing, interesting then when Dave puts on his green tie and preaches more bollox about being the environmental party. This Gvmt are more extreme now than Thatcher and that is saying something.

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Oh dear a ConDem MP accused of sending sex texts to vulnerable female constituent

A senior Liberal Democrat MP is being investigated by police amid allegations he tried to force himself on to a vulnerable female constituent.

Mike Hancock, 64, is accused of repeatedly trying to seduce the 36-year-old mother after she asked him for help with noisy neighbours and complaints about her healthcare.

The married MP, who represents Portsmouth South, took the woman to dinner in the House of Commons and is said to have bought her perfume, clothes, wine and a teddy bear.

....... more on link

Another day another scandal

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Pete, being non-elected in this sense means nowt. The support mechanism for all areas of Gvmt, society and all that makes this country isn't elected.....
- It means something to me, because these quangos are not "doing" they're "deciding". - I don't elect roadsweepers, but I elect the council who decide when the road should be cleaned. A lot of the quangos were set up by various gov'ts to do things they didn't want to do - not couldn't do, but didn't want to - largely because they could then distance themselves from decisions.

Lets pick out a few as examples, the audit Commision - who will now do their work and who will pay for it? The "accountability" then for their decisions and their work is where exactly?
where's the accountability now, Ian? There isn't any, other than to say "such and such a body did it" - it will be the same after they've gone - whoever does it next will be the identified body. Hopefully if they are elected, then if they do a bad job they can be got rid of.

Look at the proposal to crap "visit britain" - who was it just a few weeks back that said britain needed tourism? - Oh yes Mr D. Cameron of various houses in the south east, etc etc
I think you meant "scrap" :)

the whole thing with the Quango argument is that while the ConDem's are happy to try and demonize the whole Quango setup, the reality is that they wont go away
If there's less of them, that's likely to be a good thing. The hard part is getting rid of the right ones. Some seem like temporary buildings that have never been taken down once erected, even when no longer (if ever) necessary.
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