Is this a bet you can't lose?

[benfathers]

12 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Got my winnings and placed my free bets for this weekend.

My free bet at William Hill didn't materialise though. Dunno what happened there

Not to worry, still £16.35 up before I even get any winnings from the villa game.

Well done Steve, I'd contact William Hill if I was you. If it's a new account with them and you deposited and placed £10 with them you will qualify for the 2 x £10 free bets.

11 hours ago, rodders0223 said:

 

34000 posts to gain our trust then give a sales pitch with your buddy.

Now that is what I call the long con

Haha, very impressive!

11 hours ago, TrinityRoadSteps said:

Can you bet on tennis matches. Sounds like there's money to be made there 

It doesn't matter what you bet on to be honest. We are effectively just betting on heads and tails of a coin. It doesn't matter if it's a 5p, 10p or pound coin. It's all the same. Just a way to convert free bets into money. 

11 hours ago, claretman said:

Matched betting and using bookie free bets has been around for a while now, it really is an easy way of making risk free money. I've been doing it for yonks-I've already made £20 on the Liverpool game tonight no matter what the result is.

I have no affiliation to anybody and don't know what Ben is looking at charging or offering but I got started using Bonus Bagging by Mike Cruickshank,  If you have no idea what you are doing then research it; there's nothing but glowing reviews.  You receive emails spoon feeding you the bets you need to make.  Easy to make £500+ with little effort.  

If Ben is a Villa fan offering a service that rivals this then great, but that product will take some beating IMO.

Thanks claretman, Mike is an absolute legend. There's usually at least 1 other matched betting enthuisiast on a football forum... You took your time didn't you to back me up haha. 

Yep, Liverpool game was a good one! December was a great month as well huh? 

With regards to my service. Mine is just a bit cheaper than Mike's bonus bagging and really focuses on people getting started. It's pretty much the same thing... A way to get people introduced to matched betting. Both are great. 

11 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

Just when I thought this couldn't get any less legit the second accomplice comes along.

Haha, you could otherwise, try it yourself and see for yourself that it works? But I'm guessing that isn't going to happen. 

10 hours ago, claretman said:

Ha Ha!  I've been a lurker on this site for years!  No accomplice-just letting fellow Villans know that there is a bit of extra money to be made if you want it!  I'm selling nothing!

It's always the same, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

To be fair, people from this forum have signed up and are doing it, who aren't commenting on this thread but have read it and decided to try it out for themselves. 

10 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Seems a lot of work, this.

I'm already confused and I've only done two bets!

Like anything new, it gets easier if you hang in there. You can follow Briony, who is a few weeks ahead of you if that helps. Her blog posts are on www.matchedbettingblog.info

[Kingman]

13 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

This looks both interesting and the start of a long,slippery road into a gambling addiction. 

 

Very much this, When the free bets have dried up its counter productive, so If you don't gamble don't sucked into it. 

Opening several betting accounts to win a couple hundred quid may seem fantastic to some as they can't see the wood for the trees.

However when the moneys gone, Sooner or later most will end up chasing your winnings. 

If it wasn't for fast women and slow horses… 

Edited January 21, 2016 by Kingman

[Stevo985]

That's the thing I'm struggling to see. Once I've signed up to 20 odd betting websites and have exhausted their joining offers, where do the winnings come from?

[sexbelowsound]

I guess if you can accept that its free money for a bit of work but eventually it'll dry up then there shouldn't be a problem.

Also I can't imagine there is more thrill in this so the addictive factor might be limited.

However, the claims on that site that people can make up to 10k per year seem a bit far fetched unless @benfathers would care to explain how this thing is none exhaustive. 

[benfathers]

18 minutes ago, Kingman said:

 

Very much this, When the free bets have dried up its counter productive, so If you don't gamble don't sucked into it. 

Opening several betting accounts to win a couple hundred quid may seem fantastic to some as they can't see the wood for the trees.

However when the moneys gone, Sooner or later most will end up chasing your winnings. 

If it wasn't for fast women and slow horses… 

Free bets will never dry up. The sign up offers are just a way to get paid for learning how this works. 

Every week, free bets are given out from existing accounts. 

But, it's a good point you make. If you think you will end up gambling from it, then don't do it. 

If you stick to the system, then it's fine. If you think you will gamble then don't do it. 

11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That's the thing I'm struggling to see. Once I've signed up to 20 odd betting websites and have exhausted their joining offers, where do the winnings come from?

Yep - There are daily offers given out to existing accounts for casino, bingo and bookmakers that can be bet with to turn into money.

7 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said:

I guess if you can accept that its free money for a bit of work but eventually it'll dry up then there shouldn't be a problem.

Also I can't imagine there is more thrill in this so the addictive factor might be limited.

However, the claims on that site that people can make up to 10k per year seem a bit far fetched unless @benfathers would care to explain how this thing is none exhaustive. 

As above really. It never dries up, but it does take the time to open accounts and place bets. 

I honestly see it completely different to gambling. It's just a matter of placing bets to exchange free bets into money.

It's completely genuine. The average person stays on the fence and never gives it a go. Some people try it and give up. Some people go on to make £10k+ per year. You can see for yourself in the ladbible article with the guy who gives £1,000/month of his money from this to charity. It takes time and persistance to get to this level though. To make the £10k+ a year, you have to really get into it and be ready to learn a new skill. It's not for everyone. It is definitely for some people though. 

The best advice would be to simply try it and see for yourself. You'll never know if you never try. 

[Kingman]

Ben, 

1 hour ago, benfathers said:

Free bets will never dry up. The sign up offers are just a way to get paid for learning how this works. 

Every week, free bets are given out from existing accounts. 

But, it's a good point you make. If you think you will end up gambling from it, then don't do it. 

If you stick to the system, then it's fine. If you think you will gamble then don't do it. 

It's completely genuine. The average person stays on the fence and never gives it a go. Some people try it and give up. Some people go on to make £10k+ per year. You can see for yourself in the ladbible article with the guy who gives £1,000/month of his money from this to charity. It takes time and persistance to get to this level though. To make the £10k+ a year, you have to really get into it and be ready to learn a new skill. It's not for everyone. It is definitely for some people though. 

I Agree fee bets never dry up i get a couple hundred quid a month in free bets. But you only get back a small percentage of the real money you put in, Even for your back, lay or draw system will depend on the percentage of the book. Even if dealing in real money and not small amount of wooden dollars!

I get £100  a week from PP. (Use weekly)

Used to get £100 a week from B265 till they closed my account. (265 being amount of days website works) (Did use weekly)

£166.66 a month from Ladbrokes. (Haven't a clue why that figure) (Still Use weekly)

Sky bet restricted my account along with VC & Corals so i no longer use them (So don't get offers because i don't invest) 

9/10 Betfred & totesport refer me to trading whom either cap the bet or will only offer SP. (so usually can't be arsed as know whats coming) Again no free bets because i don't trade with them! 

W Hill, SJ & Boyles… Use as a rare back ups if they have a bigger price or extra place market. (Again No free bets because i don't spend real money with them)

Betfair, Use the lay market but generally I refuse to pay a percentage of winnings so avoid. (Again No fee bets)

As you can probably guess i a trade a couple of quid a week to get such free bets, So once you're signed up and in the bag unless you invest you're own hard earned cash daily/weekly I'm sorry but weekly free bets simply do not exist. Don't get me wrong You might get the odd email say "Hello we haven't seen you for a while so we've put a little welcome back offer in your account" But thats it!

Thats Real money Not wooden dollars, so for claims someone to be making £10k+ year around £200 a week from wooden dollars without investing in the queens head i find wide of the mark. 

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2016 by Kingman

[VillaChris]

How much were you winning weekly/monthly for your accounts to be shut down out of interest Kingman? I watched the Coral documentary before xmas and they covered this but didn't mention a figure so just wondering not that I'm anywhere near myself!

 

[sexbelowsound]

That's so petty that they'd shut down accounts for winning.

[benfathers]

22 hours ago, Kingman said:

Ben, 

I Agree fee bets never dry up i get a couple hundred quid a month in free bets. But you only get back a small percentage of the real money you put in, Even for your back, lay or draw system will depend on the percentage of the book. Even if dealing in real money and not small amount of wooden dollars!

I get £100  a week from PP. (Use weekly)

Used to get £100 a week from B265 till they closed my account. (265 being amount of days website works) (Did use weekly)

£166.66 a month from Ladbrokes. (Haven't a clue why that figure) (Still Use weekly)

Sky bet restricted my account along with VC & Corals so i no longer use them (So don't get offers because i don't invest) 

9/10 Betfred & totesport refer me to trading whom either cap the bet or will only offer SP. (so usually can't be arsed as know whats coming) Again no free bets because i don't trade with them! 

W Hill, SJ & Boyles… Use as a rare back ups if they have a bigger price or extra place market. (Again No free bets because i don't spend real money with them)

Betfair, Use the lay market but generally I refuse to pay a percentage of winnings so avoid. (Again No fee bets)

As you can probably guess i a trade a couple of quid a week to get such free bets, So once you're signed up and in the bag unless you invest you're own hard earned cash daily/weekly I'm sorry but weekly free bets simply do not exist. Don't get me wrong You might get the odd email say "Hello we haven't seen you for a while so we've put a little welcome back offer in your account" But thats it!

Thats Real money Not wooden dollars, so for claims someone to be making £10k+ year around £200 a week from wooden dollars without investing in the queens head i find wide of the mark. 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like you are doing pretty well there mate!

William Hill gave out a lot of football in play free bets in December to all accounts, you should have got those as well. Bet365 (or 265 as you call it lol) gives out a heck a lot of free bets and value on their horse racing each week, especially on the weekends and for special events. In fact, Skybet, William Hill, Bet365, Ladbrokes, Betfair, Race Bets and SportingBet all give out weekly offers on the horse racing. 

Then you can also make money from casino offers and bingo offers. There is a lot you are leaving on the table if you aren't doing these as well. 

£10k+ a year is a decent sum. There's a Facebook group with over 5,000 people in, where you can go and see plenty of people making regular money and have joined the 10k+ club. Sign up to Mike's Profit Maximizer if you want to see for yourself. The website is pretty cheesy, but it is the real deal. It cost about £100 + VAT to join... Comes with a 30 day money back guarantee if you wanted to try it. This offer is obviously open to anyone, but I'd recommend to first do my www.freebetchallenge.co.uk so that you can learn the basic skills and earn enough profit to reinvest into Mike's club out of your profits from the bookmaker sign up offers that you will convert into money from my site. 

 

[VillaChris]

2 hours ago, sexbelowsound said:

That's so petty that they'd shut down accounts for winning.

"Business decisions" they say. Just intrigued as to what figure they start to seriously take notice of and then act.

[benfathers]

2 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

"Business decisions" they say. Just intrigued as to what figure they start to seriously take notice of and then act.

It's actually a bit more complicated than this. They is a lot of research on it online. They are just as interested as to what you are betting on as to how much money you are making and whether you are making a lot of "Value" bets. Value bets are when a bookmaker wrongly prices the odds on a certain selection, in favour of us, the punter. If you are constantly betting on these, then it's a red flag on your account that will make it get looked at. 

If you are betting on favourites and football accumulators, then you could probably win as much as you like as you generally do not get good value on this type of bets. 

This is just the basics of it and you can read more about it. But it's a good starting point.

[Kingman]

16 minutes ago, benfathers said:

 

Sounds like you are doing pretty well there mate!

William Hill gave out a lot of football in play free bets in December to all accounts, you should have got those as well. Bet365 (or 265 as you call it lol) gives out a heck a lot of free bets and value on their horse racing each week, especially on the weekends and for special events. In fact, Skybet, William Hill, Bet365, Ladbrokes, Betfair, Race Bets and SportingBet all give out weekly offers on the horse racing. 

Then you can also make money from casino offers and bingo offers. There is a lot you are leaving on the table if you aren't doing these as well. 

£10k+ a year is a decent sum. There's a Facebook group with over 5,000 people in, where you can go and see plenty of people making regular money and have joined the 10k+ club. Sign up to Mike's Profit Maximizer if you want to see for yourself. The website is pretty cheesy, but it is the real deal. It cost about £100 + VAT to join... Comes with a 30 day money back guarantee if you wanted to try it. This offer is obviously open to anyone, but I'd recommend to first do my www.freebetchallenge.co.uk so that you can learn the basic skills and earn enough profit to reinvest into Mike's club out of your profits from the bookmaker sign up offers that you will convert into money from my site. 

 

Funny enough I'm gonna give it a miss, 

Like i said above i have all the said accounts you just mentioned above for donkeys years bar, race bets and sporting bet, (& 265 as of last year) i only play with real money at Ladbrokes and coincidentally i only get free bets from said firm. yes as also stated, i do get the odd email every few months with come back click bait all over it but thats it, Top and bottom of it is, its Simply because i don't spend real money with them so they don't send the suggested amounts and quantities of free bets.

It appears to be deviating from your original posts of arb betting which as been around probably before you and i were even born. If the set up was switched on they would be arbing on either tennis or basketball when there is only two outcomes and not having to lay a 3rd cover bet on the draw.

(I will post something later for those who are unsure how arb betting works)

Im not disputing you can't make a monkey out of arb betting from initial sign ups, What I'm stating is once you have exhausted the free bets unless you put your own money in your account then the free bet Stop!,

Few weeks down the line, Again funnily enough now every ones got a monkey in the bank and itchy fingers because everyones been winning for so long from arb betting.

All of a sudden the free bets have and tips have dried up, But not to fear Uncle Mike is here and for £120 upfront will tell you to arb such event with the use of the arbitrage software i guess, or put Barcelona, Celtic and Bayern Munich in a weekly treble that returns 6/4. 

No thanks, Ill give it a miss.

 

[Ingram85]

**** you benfathers, my bestest friend Stevo was due to come round to play wwe 2k16 a few days ago, ps4 version. we were going to play last man standing matches with no rope breaks and DQ turned off, he was going to be Antonio Cesaro for obvious reasons (its just Cesaro now btw as Vince doesn't like first names but that's not important.) I would have probably been Seth Rollins or maybe Kevin Owens neé Steen. Normally I would have been my Viscera CAW but 2k16 doesn't have all the right parts.

I'd ordered a big BBQ meatfeast from dominoes (with the small meatballs) and gotten plenty of pop in (Morrison's own as I can't afford brands). I also had some honeycomb matchsticks in a box but I wasn't going to open them until Stevo (missing) had gone home.

He didn't turn up, I called him loads, called his girlfriend who shouldn't be named (so we call her '?', how's question mark we ask, Stevo hates that), thetrees said he wasnt on any incoming or outgoing flights as far as he could see and we even called limpid and bof to see if they could triangulate his VT activity, nothing. Devastated.

Forgot about it next day and went to cotteridge to get some chips from Sophie's Choice, bit expensive but they are nice, went to the park to eat them and found Stevo. Surrounded by discarded bottles of regaine and half eaten rustler burgers and their packagings. Took a pic, so sad:

Could hear him rambling about 'Alpecin Pro' or some such interspersed with shouts of 'Victor'! and 'ronaldo poker is taking free sign ups!' and 'thank you paddy'. He had also vacated his bowels (maybe more than once'. Even grotty field cats were giving him the eye.

Anyway benfathers, hope you are happy, taking my good friend Stevo, the once proud man and owner of many Corinthian football big heads. He always said Faustino Asprilla in the newcy brown ale toon strip was his fave followed by mulleted Barry Venison in the euro 96 england kit. And turning him into this. I'll never forgive and I hope Father of Ben Fathers, Father Fathers, looks down on you today as I do.

Note: Just found the Mohawk on 2k16 but maybe its time to make King Mabel instead of big vis.

Edit: Faustino.

Edit: forgot about Venison.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Ingram85

[Kingman]

12 hours ago, VillaChris said:

How much were you winning weekly/monthly for your accounts to be shut down out of interest Kingman? I watched the Coral documentary before xmas and they covered this but didn't mention a figure so just wondering not that I'm anywhere near myself!

 

Coulpe of quid  

To be honest you don't have to be wining tens of thousands a week just appear to know what you are doing and always have the advantage

However once they clock the arb betting or frequent market movers thats it, You're either shut down or restricted.

Was advised to throw in a few mug punts to throw them off and its worked with the only two that i have left without hassle are PP & Ladbrokes. 

PP will restrict me online but once i speak with trading they will accept. Never had one sniff of hassle with ladbrokes. 

265, VC, Corals and Betfred from my deals are a bunch of bed wetters, Should say no winning allowed in T&C's. 

Mind you i did take over 12k off fred for landing a 100/1 shot. Story for another day 

[Kingman]

30 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Funny enough I'm gonna give it a miss, 

Like i said above i have all the said accounts you just mentioned above for donkeys years bar, race bets and sporting bet, (& 265 as of last year) i only play with real money at Ladbrokes and coincidentally i only get free bets from said firm. yes as also stated, i do get the odd email every few months with come back click bait all over it but thats it, Top and bottom of it is, its Simply because i don't spend real money with them so they don't send the suggested amounts and quantities of free bets.

It appears to be deviating from your original posts of arb betting which as been around probably before you and i were even born. If the set up was switched on they would be arbing on either tennis or basketball when there is only two outcomes and not having to lay a 3rd cover bet on the draw.

(I will post something later for those who are unsure how arb betting works)

Im not disputing you can't make a monkey out of arb betting from initial sign ups, What I'm stating is once you have exhausted the free bets unless you put your own money in your account then the free bet Stop!,

Few weeks down the line, Again funnily enough now every ones got a monkey in the bank and itchy fingers because everyones been winning for so long from arb betting.

All of a sudden the free bets have and tips have dried up, But not to fear Uncle Mike is here and for £120 upfront will tell you to arb such event with the use of the arbitrage software i guess, or put Barcelona, Celtic and Bayern Munich in a weekly treble that returns 6/4. 

No thanks, Ill give it a miss.

 

 

Take a tennis match, for example. Let's go back in time and say it's Boris Becker versus John McEnroe.

Bookmaker A is offering odds of 1.6 on Becker winning, and 3.9 on McEnroe winning. Bookmaker B is offering longer odds of 1.9 on Becker, but shorter odds of 2.9 on McEnroe.

You place a £200 bet on Becker at Bookmaker B. You then bet on McEnroe at Bookmaker A, and you calculate your stake by multiplying 200 by the result of 1.6/3.9 (your shorter odds divided by your longer odds).

So in this case, £200 x (1.6/3.9) = £82. Your total stake across both bets is £282.

If Becker wins, you stand to claim winnings of £320 from Bookmaker B - a £38 profit across all your bets.

If McEnroe comes out victorious, your £82 stake wins you £319.80 - a profit of £37.80 across both bets.

As this example illustrates, the profits to be made from arbing are rarely very large, and there is a considerable amount of time and effort required in sourcing favourable odds and acting quickly enough to take advantage of them.

With these profit margins, one of the keys to arbing success is patience and a cool head. It can take a long time, a large amount of funds to bet with, and a lot of small wins to accumulate significant profits. 

[Kingman]

18 hours ago, VillaChris said:

How much were you winning weekly/monthly for your accounts to be shut down out of interest Kingman? I watched the Coral documentary before xmas and they covered this but didn't mention a figure so just wondering not that I'm anywhere near myself!

 

Have a Friday Night freebie on me 

17:45	Race winner	Whisky Marmalade	33/1	Pending
22/01/2016 16:35:39 BST		Canadian (Each-Way)	52		17:45	Race winner	Whisky Marmalade	33/1	Pending
22/01/2016 16:35:39 BST		Canadian (Each-Way)	52		18:15	Race winner	Outback Blue	11/1	Pending
22/01/2016 16:35:39 BST		Canadian (Each-Way)	52		19:15	Race winner	Falcons Fire	25/1	Pending
22/01/2016 16:35:39 BST		Canadian (Each-Way)	52		18:00	Race winner	Clifton Miss	10/1	Pending
22/01/2016 16:35:39 BST		Canadian (Each-Way)	52		18:30	Race winner	Mo Henry	16/1

Edited January 22, 2016 by Kingman

[VillaChris]

O.k so that's the sort of odds you bet on then....I actually do similar.

I tend to bet on the timings of goals....e.g look at a high scoring match and there should be some goals that are scored near the end of 10 minute periods like 18th minute, 49th minute.

So if you bet in play on Bet 365...sorry 265 they have a market where even high profile teams who score a lot like Arsenal and Man. City can be 14/1 to score in the next 5 minutes so that's the market and odds I tend to play at. The problem I have is when games end 0-0 or 1-0...that knackers me it's fair to say!

On Tennis I like betting on players to break serve...anyone playing Raonic is always 10/1 at least. Seppi playing Djokovic today was 12/1 in most games. Incredibly frustrating though when those players get break points and screw up, not a good idea if you haven't got much money in the bank.

[Kingman]

TBH, I havent a clue who trains the horses above, who the owners are or who the jockeys are. 

They are market movers in some form or another and have been absent for a while

Take the 5.45 for example Whiskey Marmalade i got at 33/1.

The horse is from Ireland, at Boyles (irish firm for those unsure) its been cut to 14/1 from 25/1 Absent 171 days. 

Hopefully its connections money thats shifted it. 

All good fun anyway, Some you win… some you lose  

Theres always tomorrow in the betting business.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Kingman

[benfathers]

Do you guys use Smarkets for your big bets? If not, why not?

I'll try to bring the thread back around to the OP, matched betting. 

Although £10k a year now doesn't now seem that much compared these big bets you guys are doing. I don't really do gambling myself, just the matched betting stuff. I've just never been a risk taker I guess.

Still time to do this weekend's bets if anyone is new to matched betting and up for giving it a crack!

www.freebetchallenge.co.uk

[Kingman]

Boooooooooooom… And thats how you land a 33/1 shot sports fans!  

I Should start charging