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I think what the Tories have done Ian, by saying **** all, is left the door open for people to come to their own conclusions of what they would or wouldn't do. They could easily nip that in the bud by actually giving an alternative to the action being taken now. They won't though as they know, due to peoples desperation, they are almost guaranteed to be in power come 2010 and the only thing that could probably **** that up is by Cameron and Osbourne engaing their clueless brains and opening there mouths.

Ian I would love to know what the Tories would do but I genuinely don't think they have a clue. Even if they did I don't think they want to say too much at the moment as they are happy letting Labour dig there own grave and then piping up every now and again and slinging a bit of mud. The Tories wll continue to criticise Labours handling of the economic situation, not offer any viable alternatives, safe in the knowledge that come the election in 2010 out of desperation people will have turned to them.

What a sad state we find ourselves in given that the above statement is so true. The government we have now apears to be unable to get us out of the shocking mess we now find ourselves in yet we do not genuinely have an alternative to cling our hopes onto. The Conservatives will be elected in 2010 of that I am sure. People will vote for them, but not with any belief that they will change things for the better, but more in blind desperation. How far we have sunk.

Couldn't agree more. I can guarantee though we will hear plenty from all Politcal parties on what should and shouldn't have been done. Whatever happens now it is clear to me that there will be no quick fix for what is currently happening. It is now just about the degree to which how bad things get. I am sure the Labour government are aware that regardless of what they do now they are already out of the door come the next election. It would be stupid to think that given what as already happened and what is lkely to happen prior to the next election that any government could survive that. To what extent Labour are to blame for what is happening now I am unsure. I do genuinely fear for this country though as it is a given to me that the Tories will be in power in 2010 and with Cameron and Osbourne leading them that is a far more frightening prospect than we currently have leading us. For the record I am not a Labour supporter I just don't see the Tories, with there current leadership, as a better option.

If we were likely to have an election tomorrow (or in the near future) then it might mean something. Snowy in a years time when the elections come round I am sure the Tories will have plenty to say about what they would and wouldn't have done during this very difficult time we are going through. Hindsight will be a wonderful thing. I personally would have much more respect for them if they stated what they would do now. I doubt very much right now they'll commit themselves to anything and that can only lead me to believe that Cameron and Osbourne are clueless.

You really believe that? The main oppostion party in this country with almost two hundred elected MPs, elected by god knows how many millions of people, and you say that what they would or wouldn't do is irrelevant. I couldn't agree less. They are surely there to not just slate what the current government may be doing wrong, as quite franky in times like this that is easy prey, but they surely have to offer viable alternatives as when the time comes for people to vote again what the **** will we be voting for if we vote for the Tories as I have not got a clue what they are all about. Are Brown and Darling the right people to lead this country = Debateable Are Cameron and Osbourne the right people to lead this country = Laughable ( as I don't have a clue what the **** they are about )

I often have a browse in threads like these and rarely comment. I do however always end up laughing my bollocks off at the fact that some on here genuinely believe,that as bad as things are under a Labour government, that they would actually be better under the clown double act of Cameron and Osbourne. I am not a Labour supporter but if anyone thinks that the joke of a party, who appear to have no viable policies,would do better then they are living in La La land.

Really enjoyed my school days although don't think I realised how much at the time. Can always remember my parents saying that the school days are the best of your life and thinking yeh right but looking back now they were great days. Spending hours with friends, no responsibility and discovering the opposite sex. Absolutley fantastic. Its just a shame that the years since have flown by.

Mark, I'm not sure there have been many people knocking unions. Snowy in all fairness I have read comments on this thread that have stated that Unions have too much power and/or influence. They don't have either they just have enough backing to have the balls to stand up for any working man/woman The choice is there for anyone who works. Join a Union pay your dues and you will have the backing of a Union if needed.

As a work representative myself, better known previously as a shop steward, then I think some of you lads are wrong to knock unions. What is wrong with a group of workers standing together to ensure that each and everyone of them be treated fairly. The fact that some people in the private sector do not feel they have the backing of a union is there problem. Everyone can be the member of a union and therefore stand united with there work colleagues and stand up for what they believe is right.

If we do as have an achilles heal, as the topic suggests, then Wigan certainly didn't expose it. We absolutely battered them in the second half and had it not been for a number of goal line clearances would have won by a comfortable margin. One of them days unfortunately that come around every so often where by whatever you do the ball appears not to want to go in the back of the net. If that is our achilles heal so be it as I doubt we will see us dominate a game like that again without coming away with 3 points for a very long time.

Married 31 years until my dad passed away in 2002.

General, what kind of attendance are we expecting to get on Saturday?

General the very small minority who are moaning are the ones who are sad miserable sods. Having looked at the comments on here and elsewhere 99% of fans see this in the positive way it was intended. As DDID so eloquently put in the previous post you will always get the odd ignorant **** in life.

General with regard to the flag, you can't please all the people all of the time.... Those that don't want one don't have to take one so its not doing anyone any harm. I think its a nice gesture.

I quite like the fact we aren't playing great but getting results. Some seem to believe that if we continue to play below par we will eventually hit a sticky spell. There is though just as much likelihood that our performances will improve. If this is the case then anything is possible this season.

I'm with Trent and find it unbelieveably stupid of the Everton management/board to have turned down the opportunity to have signed Saha on a pay as you play basis. In fact the decision not to as already proved to be a costly mistake.

General my sincere condolonces to you and your family. As someone who has suffered the same loss I know what a difficult time this is. RIP 'Brute'

General, what is the attendance likely to be tomorrow? Thanks.

General, having seen my father lose a similar battle I know how tough times like this are. My thoughts are with you and it says so much that you still find time to post on here. You are a remarkable man.

Don't go around speaking for the rest of our fans. Your speaking for yourself mate and I think your talking bollocks so you definately are not speaking for me. Mon was right. We didn't win yesterday because we didn't score having had three glorious chances. You seriously think Barry and Sidwell missed their chances because they choked due to us being 4th in the table. Get a grip ffs.

Given whats happened over the last few months the Tories should be nailed on dead certs to get elected next time. The fact that they aren't says a lot about the comedy duo that are Cameron and Osbourne and how they are perceived by the country. The country should be crying out for change but it isn't as I think many wouldn't trust Cameron and Osbourne to run a pubs darts team never mind the country. For all Labours incompetence they may yet get re elected not because people want them but because the alternative is more frightening. Sad that British politics has fallen so low.

Artetasgirl, whats up with Evertons home attendances lately, only 31k for the last two home league games.

General, any idea on likely attendance against Boro?

I've gone for Chips. This is definately a poll for the over 30s.