colhint

That can't be right Peter. Its not a tax on those principles. Otherwise any inflation which causes prices to go up, should be called a tax, as its a mechanism by which everyone in the country has to pay more.

true, but probably a bit closer to the truth than the original point

No that's not true. The IMF reported a structural deficit of 5.2% Compared to US 3.3%, France 3% and Germany 1.1% We were in a worse position than most of the major economies,

have a nice one

Colhint - so basically again you wont enter the spirit of debate other than a "ahh but ..." type retort. Is it that you agree that a lot of what is reported as fact is in reality myth? Come on surely there are enough comments being made by supporters of others than the Tory party for you to have a reasonable argument against them. What about the Grud article I posted as a starter for 10, or maybe Burnham's comments, they contain some reasonable statements. What trade agreement is he talking about, if you point me in that direction I'll be happy to check it and respond

again massive myth - so interesting to see the right wing perpetuating this so called justification for ideologically led cuts and attacks on certain members of society For the sake of argument lets look at % of GDP being spent and go from there for a reasonable conversation and less of this stupid "name calling" that some are now resorting to http://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2010/oct/15/comprehensive-spending-review-2010-public-spending Whichever way you may look at this is up to you. but Wilson Lost the 1970 election because the economy was in poor shape, having to devalue the pound was the end for him Callaghan, well, the run on the pound, crisis what crisis, Healey cap in hand to the IMF (these aren't my words, they are taken from the BBC archive pages) Brown, well, prudence ran off with someone else and No more boom and bust, turned into an almighty bust. So I would reckon my statement was true that Labour keep getting kicked out for buggering up the economy

I too will look forward to yours, seeing as you quoted me. I can't comment on the other bit as I don't know what free trade deal he is referring to. Is it just to do with the NHS or a general free trade deal.

So what parts have been sold off, apart from the hospitals under labour.

I know, they're our hospitals, what right did they have to mortgage them to private investors.

you mean like PFI

Who lost £4 Billion in one day... 'Black Wednesday'?, who supported Apartheid? Riots in the streets? Privatising the NHS by 'stealth'? Who cut tax for the best off in society while taking money off everyone else? Yep, tory scum. Though I suppose it is very easy to defend the protectors of the well off from a tax haven Have to disagree here. The biggest acts of privatising the NHS in the last 50 years have been the privatising of dentistry and PFI for hospitals.

It is true really. I think the Tories get kicked out on Scandal or sleaze, Labour have always been kicked out for buggering up the economy, well since 1960 anyway, before my time any further back

I can't say for China, but I'm sure Germany are. Merkel has probably said as much on it as Cameron

can you bet on will you wont you?

Oh I know what you mean, but where do you stop. What about Piers Morgan and the mirror making the phoney pictures of British soldiers beating up Muslims, Do you ban them? I just think its a very slippery slope. Prosecute and send them to prison by all means. I wouldn't be too offended if a good many of them were shot to be honest

you can't Peter, whether we like it or not, it's what people want. Its by far the biggest selling newspaper in the country. If you add the mail which is second those two beat the circulation figures of the rest put together. If you try to ban them, well, you could end up a bit like Hitler burning books. Not for one minute am I suggesting that applies to you, Its just the way it would be

I'm not surprised they voted against it. The mirror says we could get 3 million out of a pot of 3 billion across 27 member states. Surely we should be getting a bit closer to the 111 million that everyone else is getting, shouldn't we?

but you can't really say it's the truth though can you? There is no evidence to support that. It's just an opinion that the Tories would have done the same.

that sniffs a bit of ahh but don't mention Labour

I don't mind this coming up really. Not that I think she is anyway implicated. I just think they should all lose the title honourable, and any crap that flies their way, no matter what party is ok by me.

I have a couple, First back in late 70's . On our way back from Sunday morning football at Billesley common. We had to drop some lads off at the wheatsheaf in Sheldon. I was in the front passenger seat of a clapped out old Allegro. So we were approaching the lights in the middle lane. The lights turned red and the guy in front breaked sharpish. Our driver reacted well and stopped, but the guy behind didn't. It was a fair bump, not really a crash. My mate the driver, who was a bit hot headed, went to get out to speak to the bloke. The thing was, the bump had just done enough to the car to push part of the body forward a third of an inch or so. He couldn't open the door. He was very angry now. He asked me to try the passenger door. It was stuck also, but not as much as the drivers side. So he got me to lean back and tried to boot it open. It worked the door opened. Unfortunately the lights had changed and the traffic started moving. a car took the door right off. He clambered over me to speak to the bloke who hit us. His blood was up now. After a minute or so the 2 drivers agreed to pull up in a spot just after the lights. Mick, the driver, tried his door from the outside, and after a good yank, got it open. He got back in, but the door wouldn't shut properly. Anyway we started to move slowly, but the door swung open. Only to be hit by a car on the other side, taking it right off as well. I didn't laugh until he cooled down. The other one was a bit of diy A few years back mom and dad went to South Africa for a long holiday, they asked me if I would decorate the living room and the spare bedroom, as there seemed to be a water stain on the wall paper. Anyway they were going to be away for 6 weeks. I put it off, I mean, I could do it easy in a week, what could possibly go wrong. So I started the week before they came back. Now mom had always had a decorator in to do the wall papering, she had it done every other year. She had anaglypta the last time, so that hat to come off. All was going well until I tackled the last wall. This was the wall which was always the contrast wall for those who can remember them. Anyway I went at this wall, and realised the bloody decorator had never removed any paper at all, I could see all the wallpapers I remembered from my childhood. Bloody hell I thought. So I went at it with gusto, when all of a sudden a great big piece of plaster came off. I mean big, bigger than a subbuteo pitch size. I had to get my mate round to put the browning on and told me to leave it for about a week to dry. Not a chance, I thought, Moms back in 6 days and its got to be done by then. I reckoned I would finish the other walls and come back to this one. That took about a day and a half. So then I went to look at the spare bedroom, not to big, easily done in a day. The problem was moving the furniture on my own. I got the bed out and chest of drawers but there was nowhere to put the wardrobe. So I thought I could work around it. I manoevered it a bit, but the door kept swinging open. So I locked it. Anyway I stripped the wall paper off, that bit was easy. Then I could see the watermark was in the plaster, obvious a tiny leak somewhere. I got into the loft and found the leak, The valve on the tank just need tightening. So I got up to get my tools, missed my footing and went straight through the roof. I reckon the leak had really weakend the plaster board. The thing was I went straight through the roof, and straight through the top of the bleeding wardrobe, with a crash bang wallop. I couldn't bloody move, I was in the wardrobe up to my shoulders with 1 arm in and 1 out. I was stuck fast, and there was no one else in the house. After a few moments of panic and about 10 minutes of ooohhh shiiite, I figured the only way out was to get the wardrobe flat. So about 10 minutes leaning forward then back and using my one free arm to push against the wall the wardrobe was rocking. Eventually it went, falling forward, me screaming, I never thought about the consequences until it was too late. So now I'm lying face down inside the wardrobe aching like hell. Fortunately the lock came apart in the fall. I was able with the one arm in the wardrobe, to push down to raise the wardrobe a bit, then a bit more, until eventually I could scramble out. I looked at the damage, it was like something out of some mothers do have 'em. I got straight on the phone to my mate who came round. I tried to explain what had happened, but he was to busy laughing his cock off. Anyway he fixed the ceiling with a bit of plasterboard and skim. I cleaned up the mess. I now had three days days till mom got back. So I was there at 6 every morning doing a bit and straight from work doing a bit. All the time I had to wait for the plaster to dry back in the living room. I finally got it finished at 4 in the morning on the last day, about 6 hours before mom got back. She said, "It looks nice Col, any problems?" "No mom it was easy really"

I'm looking at this including the Newcastle game. I think we will be able to get 5 points from the 6 games Draw with Newcastle beat Norwich and Draw Stoke. I'm also pretty sure Cardiff and Fulham will go. So in my eyes there is one relegation spot left. I think Sunderland,may not necessarily go down, but will not get enough points to overtake us. They have 13 games left plus the 2 cups. Of those 13, 7 are against the top 7. We are as likely to get as many points against the top 7 as they are. So I see it that they have to make up 4 more points on us plus goal difference in their 6 winnable games than we do in our 8 winnable games. If that makes sense

I agree Bicks. No way will either France or Spain try to make it easy for the basques become independent.

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living in Yorkshire, my son is the only Villa fan at school. The rest are all plastic of any given colour, depending who's winning. So we had 2 of his friends around to play Fifa. One had a Man City top on the other Chelsea. They always rib him about the Villa. Now I don't know much about fifa, but I have found out you can earn virtual money to buy better players or you can buy some of this virtual money. Anyway they were in an online game with some other kids and kept losing. So they looked at the other kids squads and the Chelsea kids said " ITS NOT FAIR , LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE GOT"