nick76

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Or trust in Emery whatever way he decides to go in each match. Yes, he might get things wrong sometimes but overwhelmingly he gets things right and has a track record that stands up to even the best.

But a new stadium isn’t going to happen either, not only doesn’t it make sense at the moment imo, it’s also that the club have stated they aren’t thinking of moving away from Villa Park.

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Their ground capacity is 53,400. We would have been close to that with the North Stand redevelopment and the adjustment they were planning, so it doesn’t validate the point of a 70k+ stadium and sports complex. It just fits my thoughts of about upgrading Villa Park through the North Stand redevelopment, it’s just a shame that’s on hold.

Given nobody has done it, maybe you are wrong and it’s just not there. If the business case was there then somebody would’ve done it.

I’m still not convinced we have a regular 60k game going fans at the prices of season tickets and individual match tickets. Yes we have a waiting list but we all question how much of that can be converted into actual season tickets if all was available. That aside if we are still at Villa Park in 25 years time and the capacity is under 60k how competitive do I think we will be? Well that depends on many things, from where football is by then, will the PL still be as popular then, are Villa still at the top end. Not to mention how the next generation after our kids watch football with more kids going to online formats than live events. If all things stay the same, we are still around the European places and PL football is still it is what it is today then us being competitive will not be based us increasing our capacity to 60k but how we’ve capitalised on being a top 4 team, our global presence, our marketing, our expended fan base across the world, our sponsorships, how we manage our finances including buying and selling players. We really need to take advantage of any new opportunities in the next big things and hopefully our link with Comcast via Atairos as well exploiting all the opportunities that being in the VSports groups will give us. While the stadium improvement is a good opportunity for increase in revenue, our Birmingham location doesn’t have the desired benefits and attractiveness London does for Spurs. Our ways are growing our revenue and being competitive is less about the stadium and more about the other forms of revenue generation imo. I’m just not convinced the large outlay for the return is there for a new sports and entertainment complex, I think increasing Villa Park to 55k+ is our level at least for the next years and that’s predominantly the North Stand development, so imo it’s a shame that has been put on hold. I think the idea of replacing DE stand and Holte End eventually is La La land in the medium term.

asap? It’s the same conversation as before we even built the DE stand 30 years ago…the club seem in no rush either. I don’t think anything will be happening ‘asap’ regarding behind DE stand or a new stadium.

Why miss ten to fifteen minutes for a pint? Surely the game is more important than a half time pint? I’d rather miss the pint than the game. Certainly an area any redevelopment need to improve in regards to service but if the service isn’t there surely better to miss out on the pint?

Yep there is a reason other clubs players, managers and supporters, and even media talk so positive about Villa Park. It has its flaws of course but it looks splendid and some would give this up for softer prettier seats and prawn sandwiches….

I can’t believe people want to leave this beautiful place…

I’m calm about it, there are still so many twists and turns left in the league and Europe that I can’t get worked up about it. I mean in this kind of season, next week could be anything.

No it’s not, if City and us go through and win each competition which we are both favourites it doesn’t matter what Leverkusen do even if they win Europa, we still end up getting the 2nd CL spot. Leverkusen need Dortmund to overcome A.Madrid to have the upper hand.

I’ve seen the pics from that gig and they had Doug Ellis, Trinity, Holte End and all the pitch area for fans. I’m guessing that was comparable to 50k fans or more.

Like we do already you mean given the Pink, Foo Fighters and Springsteen concerts at Villa Park!

I don’t believe the business case for a new stadium stacks up. The redevelopment of the North Stand did imo but the club has paused the second and said the first isn’t happening.

Of course it would financially damage the club, I don’t see how you can’t see that. Unless the owners fully fund the stadium build which, even though the owners are brilliant, they aren’t going to personally finance a new £1bn stadium thus the only other party will be Villa through whatever financial instrument.

Whereas I’m not convinced the owners would make a shit load of money and would likely put too much financial pressure on the Villa. Comparing us to Spurs and the London bit isn’t a true comparison imo but if the owners do, then go for it but I think there is a reason they aren’t otherwise knowing these owners they would given their ambitions. The owners wouldn’t just not do it because some of the fans wanted to stay at Villa Park, I think they, at the moment, see the business case stacks up imo.

We currently aren’t profitable and nowhere near self sustaining and those clubs have far greater revenues than us to support that development cost, that’s why we aren’t doing it. Doing this would financially damage our club with no real start of return for at least five years until it’s built. I just don’t see the viable business case at the moment.

Who’s standing still? just because we aren’t building a shiny new stadium doesn’t mean we are standing still as a club.

Because the debt and fees will in the short term be charged to us indirectly through higher monthly fees or some other financial instrument. There are only two groups that will be paying for a new stadium, either NSWE paying for it themselves personally or for part of it, or through Villa finances in some form. The owners are brilliant but realistically while they may invest some of their own funds into building a new stadium, you would assume the vast majority of the cost will paid for by Villa. Using various financial and legal vehicles to set up the Villa is to best utilise our finances, comply with any rules and to satisfy accounting treatment. Again though to a layman, a new stadium will need to be paid for and the only two parties that will be paying for it are our two owners personally or Villa. The accounting treatment is just what us finance dudes do.

Yeah but it’s within the Villa related companies. If NSWE ever sold Villa in the future that would include Villa Park or the new stadium and related debts. The transaction for Villa Park was to use a company loophole to get us compliant.

For me the only thing to consider is that it would cost ~£1 billion give or take to build a new stadium somewhere with all the things to make it worthwhile. I honestly don’t want our club to go into that much debt at the moment. My reasoning is nothing to do with any financial PSR/FFP rules that it may affect or not affect, it’s purely down to having a debt on the club for that amount. We are losing millions currently in our P&L and throwing more debt and interest payments onto it means we are living totally outside of our means. I’d rather focus on the pitch for the next few years and try and consistently attain CL football, continuing building commercial revenue off field like we have been doing with new sponsors and kit manufacturers and revisit the idea of a new stadium in the future.

Last year their revenue was £17.5m but now they are going to spend two to three billion on this stadium/sports quarter. Something very dodgy going on surely? There must be oil or diamonds deep under St Andrews that they are trying to get at. This is just burning cash away.

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