CI Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Unless you were winning 80 quid a day over say 6 months Gala make you bet with credit on a gala fortune card so they can track all your data if you play the machines I find the tables a bit stressful with all the Chinese all over them Unless there's a fit croupier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yeh it's mental the amount people put on. I was at the Casino at the Ricoh not so long ago and people would come up with literally thousands of pounds, change them to chips, and withint minutes it was gone. Occasionally someone would do it and win, but you know they'd lose it all agina after. If I ever gamble, which is rare, half of what I win stays in my pocket and I gamble the rest Hm, maybe we saw each other. I work there as a dealer. The biggest players tend to bet on the neighbors and french bets (the 3 sections of the wheel you alluded to). The only real strategy to win at Roulette is to get lucky one time and never return. The casino doesn't care if people win because they will come back and lose it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I was at a Roulette table in Spain playing with my exgf. It was an electronic machine. This old crusty guy kept coming over to us and saying numbers before every round. He got them right or within one of the result 80% of the time. When we had won something like €20 (playing very low stakes) he stopped coming over. It was very strange. If he had this sixth sense or had figured out how the computer worked, why was he so crusty in in a dodgy tourist casino in Marbella and not a millionaire in a less dodgy casino in Puerto Banus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2011 Casinos love people playing the 'Martingale system'. They only put table limits on things like roulette to protect themselves against being unable to pay out a win. The casino will always end up being up against that system, simply because without an infinite amount of money someone will always lose and that will almost inevitably outweigh the numbers of people prepared to walk away when they've gone up. A number of people have managed to cheat roulette using small computers to quickly guess a range of numbers that the ball is likely to land on following the spin, though of course that is not perfect and will quickly have the casino on you (I actually believe that that endeavour is genuinely illegal). The only game you can have a degree of an 'edge' at is Blackjack, and that requires a very very good memory, a fair amount of money and good maths skills, and you're still likely to lose because it's impossible to do perfectly. Poker if you're good enough you could also say, but you've got luck working against you 2 ways there - the cards and the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 The only game you can have a degree of an 'edge' at is Blackjack, and that requires a very very good memory, a fair amount of money and good maths skills, and you're still likely to lose because it's impossible to do perfectly. Card counting will definitely get you a tap on the shoulder and a slap on the wrist if you're caught! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2011 If you're good enough at it they'll just bar you. The advantage you have over other players and the casino is so small that to the casino it's just an annoyance they'd rather not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Our casino just uses automatic shuffling machines which we use after every couple of hands. We only manually shuffle if a high stakes player specifically requests it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSufferingVilla Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 If I find myself having time to kill in a casino I do enjoy playing the video roulette whereas I never feel comfortable at table games like craps and blackjack. There's one machine in particular I like, it's found in Bally's operated Casino's in Atlantic City and in Vegas. I find they have two configurations at the higher end Casino's like Caesars and the Bellagio they'll have green 0 and 00 but at the lower end joints like on Freemont street you get one green making for better odds. Machine in question: How I play: Go to the machines that have a 25c minimum and a high maximum (every bank of machines is generally in a different configuration) plonk in $20 and get the ball rolling. -> 25c on black If Red or green comes up -> 50c on black If Red or green comes up -> $1 on Black If Red or green comes up -> $2 on black and 25c on green as insurance. So on and so forth, after my 4th bet I place an insurance bet on Green for every 2 bets and the figure doubles each time. After a couple of spins I usually get my bets back plus a little, I ignore the little I've made and continue playing like I just had the original $20. That is until I get to $25 which usually takes 5-10 minutes I then consider this play money. So at this point I continue the original routine but make random fun bets around the table for example $1 on a 2-1, 50c on odd, 25c on 11. Often I'll find myself back under $20 at which point the fun betting stops until I get back to $25. If at any point I get $40 in the kitty I immediately cash out, put $20 aside and start from scratch. About an hour of play generally ends with me making $60-$80. I've busted on my original $20 a few times but most of the time I triple the investment. It's fairly innocent betting and while time consuming can be a good way to kill the hours while friends are losing their shirts at the tables, added bonus in dingy casino's for free drinks while playing (granted the price of tips adds up when dealing with such low stakes). Anyway I haven't figured out the maths behind it but I know that simply being the game that it is you are as likely to win as you are to lose. HOWEVER the important part about the system is the rigid self control, with fixed circumstances for cashing out and placing wild bets you are far less likely to defeat yourself with a rush of blood to the head. Now we had a work casino night earlier in the year playing proper games with fake money thing. I ran it by one of the girls running a Roulette wheel who works the Tropicana in AC on the weekends she said I'd be turfed out pretty quick for doing this at the real tables. Firstly the dealers get pissed working with somebody placing minimum bets constantly, the house gets pissed cause you are taking up a seat that could be filled by somebody looking to risk decent cash and finally because such methods usually work pretty well if the player has the patience and the discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Good strategy, may blend that one with my own, ie. I'd start your strategy after say 4 consecutive blacks have come up, I'd then get the ball rolling on red Minimum bet in gala on the machines is £2.50 on all the 2/1 bets on roulette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Casinos love people playing the 'Martingale system'. They only put table limits on things like roulette to protect themselves against being unable to pay out a win. The casino will always end up being up against that system, simply because without an infinite amount of money someone will always lose and that will almost inevitably outweigh the numbers of people prepared to walk away when they've gone up. Indeed, go into a casino, tell them you have a system on roulette, and they'll roll out the red carpet for you because the game is unbeatable. It's simply not possible to win at roulette over any span of time. A number of people have managed to cheat roulette using small computers to quickly guess a range of numbers that the ball is likely to land on following the spin, though of course that is not perfect and will quickly have the casino on you (I actually believe that that endeavour is genuinely illegal). Not illegal, but it'll get you kicked out same as anything else you do that gives you an edge (like card counting). The only laws in the UK are anything that influences casino equipment, using a computer to predict where the ball will land is perfectly legal, but against the house rules. All they can do is kick you out though. The only game you can have a degree of an 'edge' at is Blackjack, and that requires a very very good memory, a fair amount of money and good maths skills, and you're still likely to lose because it's impossible to do perfectly. Not impossible by any stretch of the imagination, and basic card counting isn't that hard. Anyone can add or subtract 1 from a count which is all it needs. Then all you have to do is divide the count by an estimate of how many decks are left in the shoe. Again trivial math. You don't need a memory at all, other than to remember one number from one card to the next. You don't need to do it perfectly to get an edge. There's plenty of casinos that use continuous shoes these days though, which you can't count with as they constantly reshuffle the deck so each hand is a completely independent event. Poker if you're good enough you could also say, but you've got luck working against you 2 ways there - the cards and the players. No luck in poker in the long term. If it was luck based you wouldn't see the same faces in the money at tournaments all the time. Long term good players win, bad players lose. It's all odds and expected value as well as being able to read people and play psychologically. It's an often said adage but the best poker players don't need cards to win. The difference between a good player and a great player is a good player will win the hands they should, a great player will win the hands they shouldn't. Both can make money from playing poker, one can get extremely rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 The only game you can have a degree of an 'edge' at is Blackjack, and that requires a very very good memory, a fair amount of money and good maths skills, and you're still likely to lose because it's impossible to do perfectly. Not impossible by any stretch of the imagination, and basic card counting isn't that hard. Anyone can add or subtract 1 from a count which is all it needs. Then all you have to do is divide the count by an estimate of how many decks are left in the shoe. Again trivial math. You don't need a memory at all, other than to remember one number from one card to the next. You don't need to do it perfectly to get an edge. There's plenty of casinos that use continuous shoes these days though, which you can't count with as they constantly reshuffle the deck so each hand is a completely independent event. Simple card counting is indeed very easy, though the biggest problem people have is doing it without looking like you are clearly keeping count. I'm not a fan of the continuous shuffling that casinos seem to be moving towards not because of keeping a count of the main game but I often would keep an eye on 'perfect pairs' and sometimes you could get great odds and really cash up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 My mates lost a ton on Roulette the last week. I walk in, slap £1 on 3 and it drops, two days later. £1 on 12, it drops. Thats how you play it, not scatter £50 and then lose or win and just lose in a few spins. There is no way to win long term, its a mugs game. I put a £1 on a random number every now and again for the fun not to try make money. Poker is 90% skill IMO, the only game in a casino I will play as the house doesn't have an edge. Apart from the rake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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