TOTTI-THE-GOD Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 After being there last night and seeing the reaction from some of the "fickle fans" towards Doug , i have a very strong feeling Doug is gonna stay . The number of fans going up to him saying well done Doug and crap , made me feel sick . He has to go end of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin@villatalk Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I agree that Doug needs to go.... its time to go However I do believe that bringing in MON now - before the season starts - was a excellent move by who ever it was What villa dont have is time atm - the season is just around the corner and with takeovers taking weeks/months to complete it was in the best interest for everyone to appoint MON now. Appointing him now doesnt neccessary mean Doug is trying to sweeten up the villa fans... but i can see why some ppl think this. With MON in place now it means that we have secured a top manager for the start of the season... with the takeover completed by villa 5/6 game of the season. Doug will go... but not just yet... give it a few months for the papers to be finalised and signed by Mr Lerner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 The paperwork may take a little longer, but control needs to be passed over and must be seen to be passed over. If Ellis screws this up he will be crucified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Oh I dunno - All Ellis has to do is open his gob and his foot lands straight in there. Very True!.... Tx for info TT you're a star!!...Are you really doing this from the airport at Brum or can you track all this from home??!! As far as I am concerned only footballers should work at weekends....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 crucified? why? he brought us Oneill.... :roll: Weve let him off the hook again...... villa fans are fickle... Oneill wont do much with Ellis in charge.. maybe a top 6 finish but wont be able to maintain it without spending something. Lerners gone... maybe he went to buy Luton Town. I dont think Ellis will be leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Couple of points while catching up 1) I was sickened last night at VP by the number of so called Villa fans asking Doug for his authograph, shaking his hand and wanting their photos with him. There were dozens of the clearings in the woods. 2) The Lerner deal, if it happens, will happen the quickest as Rothchilds are only dealing with one man. The others are all consortia and each needs their own reassurances and puts their own conditions on. THis is why Lerner is favoured. 3) If Doug doesn't sell he will be stuck with personal bills from Rothchilds and possible legal action. He is being driven into a corner. 4) Why did Jon Fear insist on wearing a Newcastle tie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I did say that i thought this was DE's plan all along. The fans last night congratulting Doug made me sick, and my boycott remains, I will not return to VP while he stays. Walsall here i come!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomIsADeftone Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think Randy's gone home safe in the knowledge he's got his man, and knows nothing can be done during the weekend. I'm hopeing we'll see him return the beginning of next week to conclude a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 there must have been a reason for him to turn up... coincedently with Oneill signing. Heres hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 utter toss from the 'graph No it isn't. There's actually a fair bit of very accurate, if also very guarded, reporting in the article. Equally, some of it might not be 100%. Crikey, that sounds v. on the fence, but hey.... I think its an accurate article, but about 48 hours behind the news as newspapers often are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 If Ellis screws this up he will be crucified. crucified? why? he brought us Oneill.... :roll: Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Or a good possibility is that he came to sign O'Neill MON's 'accidental' "brief meetings" slip definitely suggested that he had been negotiating with others, and the fact that he was late suggested he was tied up in a meeting. The only way you would be late for your new employer is if you were in meetings with your true new employer Well, a guy like Lerner doesnt fly over to England personally unless he is really needed for something. He has a whole army of advisors and lawyers and whatnot who can act on his behalf for pretty much everything. So what would you need Mr Lerner's personal presence for? I will leave you to speculate on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 So what would you need Mr Lerner's personal presence for? Thats pretty obvious Pete, lets hope the right people choose the right path to take as well :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Maybe he was making the toast at cuddly's imaginary meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips'ngravy Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Weve let him off the hook again...... villa fans are fickle... Oneill wont do much with Ellis in charge.. maybe a top 6 finish but wont be able to maintain it without spending something. Lerners gone... maybe he went to buy Luton Town. I dont think Ellis will be leaving. I agree. Having watched the press conference yesterday the last thing in the world Ellis looked like was a man who was leaving. Giving o'Neill a small transfer fund just confirms what I've always feared, that he's managed to deflect the heat yet again by signing a high profile manager. We all know how he's behaved during his tenure at Villa. Does anyone really believe he's gonna wanna walk away now? He's just pulled off the one of the biggest football coups of the decade! Funny how he can wrap up signing a new manager quicker than selling the club, don't you think? He'll fob off the interested consortia for the next couple of weeks, by which time the new season will have started and it will be seen as too disruptive to be in the middle of a takeover. O'Neill will galvanize the squad, we'll pick up a few unexpected results, more funds will be promised for january, they won't arrive, O'Neill will walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetcorn Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 What Doug said, I think, explains it all - they agreed 2 weeks that he was the new manager, whys it taken 2 weeks for the press conf?? I think they were waiting for something. Personally I think Lerner officially put his bid in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 We all know how he's behaved during his tenure at Villa. Does anyone really believe he's gonna wanna walk away now? He's just pulled off the one of the biggest football coups of the decade! well, I think that maybe he believes he has. Poor old fool if he does, although I dont think he's quite that naieve. I think he's perfectly happy for everyone to think he has though, suits him fine. Look, we are about to recieve at least one, possibly as many as four firm bids to buy the club. under stockmarket rules he a) has to put all bids to the shareholders has to accept the one, should be there be one, which takes the club forwards and meets the criteria laid down - such a bid HAS to be recommended to the shareholders for acceptance There is no ambiguity about this, no grey areas, only hard and fast, black and white takeover law. This sint a process Ellis has any control over. he has already laid down the specifications, some time ago now. maybe he felt those specifications would never be met, but now they are about to be and there isnt anything else he can do about it. he can no longer change the goalposts without some severe consequences, as he has already discovered. Its over for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 crucified? why? he brought us Oneill.... :roll: Weve let him off the hook again...... villa fans are fickle.... You said that when he sacked O'Leary. :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 We all know how he's behaved during his tenure at Villa. Does anyone really believe he's gonna wanna walk away now? He's just pulled off the one of the biggest football coups of the decade! a) has to put all bids to the shareholders has to accept the one, should be there be one, which takes the club forwards and meets the criteria laid down - such a bid HAS to be recommended to the shareholders for acceptance Dispute this as you know. No one can force someone to sell something they own. It is not fact. You are adding together the regulatory requirements, the rothschild fees and fiduciary duties. The comments from padfield show that ellis is trying to frame the sale in a way that suits him. Yes he's under pressure, yes he will lose this time, but he is not bound by stockmarket rules into selling to anyone of the bidders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Well I thought apart from RL's Private Jet being at Luton airport the morning MON is appointed....... the most telling point of yesterday's Press Conference was Doug flying back on Sunday....Why? He doesn't normally miss Villa games unless there is something more pressing....& when Lerner, alledgedly,went off in a huff back to US unhappy with negotiations with Ellis last week...we heard about it within hours!! TT has confirmed Lerner left earlier this morning....So far nothing untoward from the Press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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