irishmangiant Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 For the past three nights, including tonight, we have seen riots and violence again in the streets of Northern Ireland, particularly belfast where i come from. These riots are due to the parades commision, not allowing an Orange March to proceed through a nationalist area ( the nationalist residents have said they do not wish the parade to proceed through their area ) In several loyalist areas of belfast there have been cars hijacked, buses hijacked, businesses looted and burned as well as people robbed by loyalist (MAINLY "protestants") who are destroying their own areas. The orange order have been attempting to march through areas who do not welcome such processions, so is it right for such processions to take place when the residents clearly do not want them to go ahead? Also... given that both sides of the community have rioted over different outcomes of Parades Commission decisions.. how can we prevent such devistation and upset? Police yesterday released footage of Orange Order members, attacking police with swords and fists. Should such a "religious" order be allowed to exist? All views are respected... please vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think letting them march down the street they wanted to would have caused less aggro, and ulitmately less violence than what we saw this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RantinRob Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think religion is a load of **** wank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 13, 2005 Administrator Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think organised religion is a load of **** wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 IMG - I found it very funny yesterday to hear some of the nationalist bigots trying to take the moral high ground over this. The marching season is important to both sides of the political / religious divide in NI, I think Im right in saying. The whole point of these marches is celebration and with that provocation towards the "opposition". For every decision to ban you have to consider the repercussions from the other side and a compromise found. A compromise will no doubt be give and take for both but to ban full stop is not compromise. I dont condone rioting, but I also think that in this unique (for the UK anyway) situation a more give and take solution could be found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Religion has got a lot of blood on it's hands around the world. I think it's all a crock of S**t to be honest but someone makes money out of it as it is a business / cult thing, shame that most people are just too stupid too see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villamark Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Loyalists have got there own way for so long, a few parades are re routed to stop them going through nationalist areas and all this violence happens. If a community does not want them to march through it then why should they be. If a farmer did not want fox hunters to ride over his land would they be allowed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 It's all about crime and drugs.... don't think anything else.. rocket polishers the lot of 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just ban the marches full stop - stupid pointless waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity-Tom Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 To allow it would be like saying it is ok to incite racial hatred which is just wrong. Its the 21st century and still people hate each other because of their religion. I live with 2 catholic northern irish lads. Both of whom have no problem with protestants but they have had to put up with trouble from English protestants who took exception to them. I think people really need to get a grip! I must also add that the problem is not one sided, there are Catholics who are just as bad and both parties need to sort themselves out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think they all need to grow up. Bowler hats, sashes, wanting to march through a different area just to rub the oppositions noses in it, if it were your children that were acting this way, they would get a smack and told not to be so silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 But Worzel you could say the same about the Russians marching through Red Square, etc etc It will take time to change. The peace process is ongoing and unfortunately far too many people want instant results. For the moment we have an end to the bombings and the all out terrorist attacks from the IRA etc, but that came over time. Tolerance is needed from both sides and a move away from confrontationalism may just happen as a result, but it will take time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villamark Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Tolerance! the parade is still allowed to go ahead just rerouted to stop it going through an area which does not want it. There are hundreds of parades each year only a a small amount are rerouted, I think they get a lot of tolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Sorry Drat I dont understand, I think we are saying the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmangiant Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 I think at least 80% of Nortern Ireland folks (protestant or catholic) are fed up. I have respect for people's views, and I think they should be allowed to march in their own areas. People from our (nationalist) areas have no problems when it comes to the twelfth of July and so forth, but I think when it comes to marching into areas where people don't want to see the marches, then the marches should be re-routed to a safer area for all involved. I do not condone the violence in any way, nationalist or protestant . An 11 month old kid might have brain damage thanks to a group of people throwing bricks at cars, I think that alone is too much to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboy Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 religion is a load of **** bollocks designed to fragment the working class, people are identifying with the wrong problems, WORKING PEOPLE UNITE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 ratboy - I think you may find that religion as you put it has been around slightly longer than the "working" classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboy Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 there has always been the poor, the laboureres and then those that exploit them though, using religion as a solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 ratboy totally right, just look at the wealth of the established churches and where did that come from except for the people. As for the parades they are a show of strength and remember conquests, running then through areas of these conquests is just stupid !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 but Ian religion wasnt designed just an opression tool of the working people now was it. OK its used as a battering ram against people and has been for a long time, which sort of conflicts against its principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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