ianrobo1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k what about the miners that killed that taxi driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k what about the miners that killed that taxi driver? I don't believe anyone said the miners were all innocents in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k what about the miners that killed that taxi driver? I don't believe anyone said the miners were all innocents in this no but I doubt the NUM compensated the taxi drivers family, or did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: Sorry, I should have typed 'bullying and intimidation' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k What came first? Policing or flying pickets? You play with fire, you get burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 bullying has always been the only way of progressing the socialist cause. NOT this. :shock: who were the bullies number of miners found guilty in court after Orgreave - 0 police compensation for illegal jailing - £500k What came first? Policing or flying pickets? You play with fire, you get burned. so you are all for the repression fo the public then ? don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 so you are all for the repression fo the public then ? don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types 'free assembly'? So large numbers of people assembling to intimidate people who are trying to go to work to feed and clothe their families is okay? I'll see you on the plane to China. We'll drop you off in North Korea on the way :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 so you are all for the repression fo the public then ? don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types So large numbers of people assembling to intimidate people who are trying to go to work to feed and clothe their families is okay? I think it still would have been best to leave the police out of it until something went terribly wrong at one of those flying pickets. Which would have happened, Then you move in heavy with full backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 people who are trying to go to work to feed and clothe their families is okay? Or scabs as they are otherwise called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types Bloody hell, way to invoke memories of the eighties, Ian. It sounds like every anti-Scargill comment of the period (save exchanging Russia for China). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 5, 2009 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2009 So , why was Thatcher the destroyer of communities ?? I hereby extend a friendly invite to come and see the old pit villages in the north east OK , maybe I should have phrased the question better .. why is it ONLY Thatcher appears to be seen as the destroyer of communities when the pit closures in Wales which also decimated communities , happened long before she came to power That isn't true There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys. Ironically Hirwaun Mountain also has another place in political history, it was the first place a red flag was raised as a symbol of socialist revolt (it was in fact a bedsheet dipped in sheeps blood) and it is that socialist revolt that Thatcher was so scared about, the Miner's Strike wasn't really about job cuts and all that guff for Thatcher, it was about an end to the Unions, it was all part of Thatch's plan to remove the Unions of any power. It was a great left vs right battle of ideologies fought out between the forces of the State (that'll be the police used some would say illegally as well as the army dressed up as policemen) and the forces of the left (that'll be Scargills poor miners used as pawns in a game the idiot was never going to win). What Thatcher did was inexcuseable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 so you are all for the repression fo the public then ? don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types Barring you picking that Ivan up for his spelling the other day that may be the most ironic comment I have ever read on VT. Labour's supression of free speech , right to free assembly and protest is good but when the Tories do it it's bad? I agree with what you have written but for Jesus Christ's F'ing sake why have you never pulled up Labour for doing the same and worse recently? Read it, and weep for our stolen rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 so you are all for the repression fo the public then ? don;t liek free speech and the right to free assembley guess you had best move to the China there they like authortian types Barring you picking that Ivan up for his spelling the other day that may be the most ironic comment I have ever read on VT. Labour's supression of free speech , right to free assembly and protest is good but when the Tories do it it's bad? I agree with what you have written but for Jesus Christ's F'ing sake why have you never pulled up Labour for doing the same and worse recently? Read it, and weep for our stolen rights I think now you have to organise and basically BOOK your protest in London nowadays. You won't find any protests going on anymore around the HP. There have also been cases of people being arrested under the terrorism act for taking photos of public places like train stations. This government is like that nobbish dad off the fast show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhpnrGBTRc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys. A slight aside, and I'm sure you know already Bicks, but former Wales wing forward Dai Morris used to work there. Max Boyce put it more elequently: "Now Dai works down at Tower, in a pit called number four. Some say that he was quarried from rock a mile below. He goes to work each morning just the same as you or I The foreman calls him Mister but the children call him Dai" Makes me proud every time I drive past it on my way to the Rhondda to see my Nan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 That isn't true There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys. well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher .. so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ? North Rhondda No 2 1947 Blaenclydach 1947 Erskine 1947 Llanmarch 1947 Penrhys 1947 Charmborough 1947 Cynon 1947 Llanerch 1947 Rhiw Colbren No 5 1947 Cwmneol 1948 Glanaman 1948 Broadoak 1948 Hook 1948 West Blaina 1948 New Gellihir 1948 Pwllgwaun 1948 Nantewlaeth 1948 Islwyn 1948 Blaendare 1949 Cwm Cynon 1949 Tareni 1949 Eryl Bryn 1949 Wern Fawr 1949 Werfa Dare 1949 Glynogwr 1949 Coalpit Heath 1949 Pontyberem 1949 Brithdir 1949 Camerton 1950 Rhiw Colbren No 2 1950 Cilely 1950 Talclyn 1952 Anthony (merged with Naval) 1952 Bertie (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952 Nebe (merged with Gelli) 1952 Pandy (merged with Naval) 1952 Trane (merged with Britannic) 1952 Trefor (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952 Garngoch No 1 1952 Pwll 1953 Kay?s Slope (see Garn and Kay?s Slope) 1953 Oaklands 1953 Rhas 1953 Pidwellt 1953 Bromley (see Pensford & Bromley) 1954 Radstock 1954 Rock Vein (merged with Nine Mile Point) 1954 Trimsaran 1954 Brynteg 1954 Dare (merged with Park) 1955 Lucy Thomas 1955 Mynydd Newydd 1955 Brynhenllys 1955 Mynydd Maen 1955 Ynisarwed 1955 Bedlinog 1956 Braysdown (merged with Writhlington) 1956 Crynant 1956 Pengam 1956 Deakin's Red Ash Level 1956 Saron 1956 Deakin's Slope 1957 Bwllfa (merged with Mardy) 1957 Rock (Mon) 1957 Ystalyfera 1957 Gellyceidrim 1957 Vivian (merged with Six Bells) 1958 Naval 1958 Glenhafod 1958 Liandebie 1958 Pensford & Bromley 1958 Tirherbert 1958 Aberbaiden 1959 Cwmllynfell 1959 Eastern United 1959 Mount 1959 Pentre 1959 Steer 1959 Ty Trist 1959 Tydraw 1959 Ferndale No 5 1959 Glyntillery (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959 Tirpentwys (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959 Garth Merthyr 1959 Glengarw 1959 Arthur & Edward 1959 Britannic 1960 Carway 1960 North Rhondda 1960 Cannop 1960 Tylerstown No 9 1960 Hendy Merthyr 1960 Big Pit (merged with Blaenavon) 1960 Cwmtillery (merged with Abertillery) 1960 Garn & Kays Slope (merged with Blaenavon) 1960 Lewis Merthyr(merged with Tymawr) 1960 Rose Heyworth (merged with Abertillery) 1960 Clydach Merthyr 1961 Graig Fawr 1961 Rock (Glam) 1961 Llanbradach 1961 Gelli 1962 Onllwyn No 3 1962 Princess Royal 1962 Great Mountain Nos 1 & 2 1962 New Cross Hands 1962 Blaenhirwaun 1962 Lianharan 1962 East 1962 Aberaman 1962 New Rockwood. 1963 Seven Sisters 1963 Bryn 1963 Harry Stoke 1963 Cwmgrach 1963 Ffaldydre 1963 Waunllwyd (merged with Marine) 1963 Onllwyn No 1 1964 Western (see Wyndham/Western) 1964 Cwmgorse 1964 Garth Tonmawr 1964 Nine Mile Point 1964 Pochin 1964 Wern Tarw 1964 Daren 1964 Varteg 1964 Norchard Drift 1965 Rhigos 1965 Glyncastle 1965 Fforchaman 1965 Wernos 1965 Aberbeeg South 1965 Felinfran 1965 Northern United 1965 Pwllbach 1966 Garngoch No 3 1966 Norton Hill 1966 Park (Glam) 1966 Fernhill (see Tower/Fernhill) 1966 Dillwyn 1966 Old Mills 1966 Risca 1966 Albion 1966 Cambrian 1966 Glenrhondda 1966 Duffryn Rhondda 1966 Abercrave 1967 Elliot 1967 Pentreclwydau 1967 Abergorki 1967 Crumlin 1967 International (Maesteg) 1967 Newlands 1968 Wyllie 1968 Yniscedwyn 1968 Cefn Coed 1968 Lindsay (Carmarthen) (merged with Cwmgwili) 1968 New Rock 1968 Cwmcarn 1968 Groesfaen 1968 National 1968 Writhlington (merged with Kilmersdon) 1968 Pantyffynnon 1969 Penllwyngwent 1969 Llanhilleth 1969 Avon 1969 Mountain 1969 Tirpentwys 1969 Waterloo (Mon) 1970 Glyncorrwg 1970 Coed Cae 1973 Kilmersdon 1973 Pentremawr (merged with Cynheidre) 1974 Abercynon (merged with Lady Windsor) 1975 Ffaldau (merged with Garw) 1975 Ogilvie 1975 Windsor (merged with Nantgarw) 1975 Bey 1975 Glyntillery 1975 Hafodyrynys (inc Glyntillery) 1975 Ammanford 1976 Bargoed 1977 Coedely (merged with Cwm) 1977 Morlais (merged with Brynlliw) 1977 Caerau 1977 Graig Merthyr 1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher .. so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ? because she was Conservative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 That isn't true There was far more than one mine is Wales before the Miners Strike, after Thatcher had finished there was only one, Tower Colliery No 4, on the side of Hirwaun mountain between the Dare and Rhondda Valleys. well try these for size , happy counting and not one of them closed by Thatcher .. so again I have to ask , how come Thatcher decimated communities and no-one else ? North Rhondda No 2 1947 Blaenclydach 1947 Erskine 1947 Llanmarch 1947 Penrhys 1947 Charmborough 1947 Cynon 1947 Llanerch 1947 Rhiw Colbren No 5 1947 Cwmneol 1948 Glanaman 1948 Broadoak 1948 Hook 1948 West Blaina 1948 New Gellihir 1948 Pwllgwaun 1948 Nantewlaeth 1948 Islwyn 1948 Blaendare 1949 Cwm Cynon 1949 Tareni 1949 Eryl Bryn 1949 Wern Fawr 1949 Werfa Dare 1949 Glynogwr 1949 Coalpit Heath 1949 Pontyberem 1949 Brithdir 1949 Camerton 1950 Rhiw Colbren No 2 1950 Cilely 1950 Talclyn 1952 Anthony (merged with Naval) 1952 Bertie (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952 Nebe (merged with Gelli) 1952 Pandy (merged with Naval) 1952 Trane (merged with Britannic) 1952 Trefor (merged with Lewis Merthyr) 1952 Garngoch No 1 1952 Pwll 1953 Kay?s Slope (see Garn and Kay?s Slope) 1953 Oaklands 1953 Rhas 1953 Pidwellt 1953 Bromley (see Pensford & Bromley) 1954 Radstock 1954 Rock Vein (merged with Nine Mile Point) 1954 Trimsaran 1954 Brynteg 1954 Dare (merged with Park) 1955 Lucy Thomas 1955 Mynydd Newydd 1955 Brynhenllys 1955 Mynydd Maen 1955 Ynisarwed 1955 Bedlinog 1956 Braysdown (merged with Writhlington) 1956 Crynant 1956 Pengam 1956 Deakin's Red Ash Level 1956 Saron 1956 Deakin's Slope 1957 Bwllfa (merged with Mardy) 1957 Rock (Mon) 1957 Ystalyfera 1957 Gellyceidrim 1957 Vivian (merged with Six Bells) 1958 Naval 1958 Glenhafod 1958 Liandebie 1958 Pensford & Bromley 1958 Tirherbert 1958 Aberbaiden 1959 Cwmllynfell 1959 Eastern United 1959 Mount 1959 Pentre 1959 Steer 1959 Ty Trist 1959 Tydraw 1959 Ferndale No 5 1959 Glyntillery (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959 Tirpentwys (merged with Hafodyrynys) 1959 Garth Merthyr 1959 Glengarw 1959 Arthur & Edward 1959 Britannic 1960 Carway 1960 North Rhondda 1960 Cannop 1960 Tylerstown No 9 1960 Hendy Merthyr 1960 Big Pit (merged with Blaenavon) 1960 Cwmtillery (merged with Abertillery) 1960 Garn & Kays Slope (merged with Blaenavon) 1960 Lewis Merthyr(merged with Tymawr) 1960 Rose Heyworth (merged with Abertillery) 1960 Clydach Merthyr 1961 Graig Fawr 1961 Rock (Glam) 1961 Llanbradach 1961 Gelli 1962 Onllwyn No 3 1962 Princess Royal 1962 Great Mountain Nos 1 & 2 1962 New Cross Hands 1962 Blaenhirwaun 1962 Lianharan 1962 East 1962 Aberaman 1962 New Rockwood. 1963 Seven Sisters 1963 Bryn 1963 Harry Stoke 1963 Cwmgrach 1963 Ffaldydre 1963 Waunllwyd (merged with Marine) 1963 Onllwyn No 1 1964 Western (see Wyndham/Western) 1964 Cwmgorse 1964 Garth Tonmawr 1964 Nine Mile Point 1964 Pochin 1964 Wern Tarw 1964 Daren 1964 Varteg 1964 Norchard Drift 1965 Rhigos 1965 Glyncastle 1965 Fforchaman 1965 Wernos 1965 Aberbeeg South 1965 Felinfran 1965 Northern United 1965 Pwllbach 1966 Garngoch No 3 1966 Norton Hill 1966 Park (Glam) 1966 Fernhill (see Tower/Fernhill) 1966 Dillwyn 1966 Old Mills 1966 Risca 1966 Albion 1966 Cambrian 1966 Glenrhondda 1966 Duffryn Rhondda 1966 Abercrave 1967 Elliot 1967 Pentreclwydau 1967 Abergorki 1967 Crumlin 1967 International (Maesteg) 1967 Newlands 1968 Wyllie 1968 Yniscedwyn 1968 Cefn Coed 1968 Lindsay (Carmarthen) (merged with Cwmgwili) 1968 New Rock 1968 Cwmcarn 1968 Groesfaen 1968 National 1968 Writhlington (merged with Kilmersdon) 1968 Pantyffynnon 1969 Penllwyngwent 1969 Llanhilleth 1969 Avon 1969 Mountain 1969 Tirpentwys 1969 Waterloo (Mon) 1970 Glyncorrwg 1970 Coed Cae 1973 Kilmersdon 1973 Pentremawr (merged with Cynheidre) 1974 Abercynon (merged with Lady Windsor) 1975 Ffaldau (merged with Garw) 1975 Ogilvie 1975 Windsor (merged with Nantgarw) 1975 Bey 1975 Glyntillery 1975 Hafodyrynys (inc Glyntillery) 1975 Ammanford 1976 Bargoed 1977 Coedely (merged with Cwm) 1977 Morlais (merged with Brynlliw) 1977 Caerau 1977 Graig Merthyr 1978 Blimey, I didn't know that. A lot of mergers though. Any info for the reasons on these closures? Pits do run out of coal (like Tower did recently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 It was decided to slim down the industry to a level that the investment would make the most difference ... It's hard to say today whether such mergers would have created units which would still be viable or open today - lots of other factors have contributed to the decline of the coal industry since then, both economic and political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 5, 2009 Moderator Share Posted March 5, 2009 A lot of those aren't closures, they are mergers. The Tower / Fernhill one in 1966 being the obvious one to me (Tower also later merged with Maerdy further down the seem in 1985 iirc signalling the end of coal mining in the Rhondda - well on the surface anyway, it was still going on below ground) A lot of those also just simply ran out of coal Bargoed in 1977 and rhigos in 1n 1965 in 1977 aren't technically closure's as such either, they decided to rip the top off the mountain's and turn into open cast, seem to remember a bit of a fuss back in the day about that (well the Bargoed one anyway) I note there's no mention of Hirwaun Tower No3 in 1958? yes thats because it was a mine opening. So they were still opening new mines in this period of non Thatcherte closures. And thats just from my limited knowledge of the mines at our end of the Cynon Valley I'll also bet they didn't pour concrete down those mines either did they? Thatcher poured concrete down perfectly good mines so they could never be used again. That is the act of a mad woman hell bent on revenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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