Shaw_nuff

1982: Doug Ellis disappears up his own arsehole. Saunders remains, we become the English Barcelona.... Doug Ellis stand rightly named the Ron Saunders stand.

I know they exist. But I have a fair idea what would happen if we brought a foreign manager in and you know too. Van Cleish?

Footloose

Spot on. We've gotten used to 30 odd years of cheap credit and it seems as if the only solution out there is to spend even more. It's like a crack-addicted economy. Lerner's positioning is telling.

Help to Buy? Perhaps Dave Cameron can get George to extend his insane policy to cover Villa, so that the tax payer picks up the bill for our dud purchases?

We've got one of the worst home records ever because we can't do anything else.

I agree. Manchester United were a counter attacking side and they dominated the Premiership. I have no issue with how we counter against teams, I think it is great to watch. MU did both... you can't win the PL without being able to break a team down that 'parks the bus'. Besides, when two out-and-out counter attacking teams get together it can result in the most boring games imaginable.

Well, the die has been cast. Significant results today. Relegation is between the bottom 11 clubs with S'hampton opening up a 7 point gap from us and Hull... fortunately for us there are many equally shite sides in the mix, but it's gonna go to the wire - It's tight down there. If we can get anything from Monday it will be priceless.

Or they could be incapable of carrying them out...... which could be even worse still.

Ha! You're the one with the 'Go to the cinema' chestnut of a post. Football's an entertainment industry. It's why it became popular in the first place FFS, otherwise we'd all be posting endless shite about badger-bating or whatever else turns you on. If you want results without entertainment why don't you go and take an HIV test?

you're correct... It all seemed to be getting towards a shape and pattern we could all recognise with confidence growing and then bang, he completely changed tack. It's the only reason I still hold any hope for him. But as to what happened? Only PL knows.

You can call it ridiculous all you like but you still cannot give me an example can you? I'm talking PL, not comparing yourself to your fat mates down the park. And I am 6'3" too. I gave you one. Marko Arnautovic. I thought you were joking - I said a top side, unless we've become so shite that we consider Stoke a big club now.

You can call it ridiculous all you like but you still cannot give me an example can you? I'm talking PL, not comparing yourself to your fat mates down the park. And I am 6'3" too.

ding ding ding You said, 'being that tall he'll have the turning circle of a barge.' and I replied that I'm tall and fairly agile. It has nothing to do with what 'top team I play for'. What a load of patronising guff. ding ding ding You said, 'being that tall he'll have the turning circle of a barge.' and I replied that I'm tall and fairly agile. It has nothing to do with what 'top team I play for'. What a load of patronising guff. Back to the point: Helenius is 6'5". Give me a 6'5 winger/wide man in a top side? or 6'3" even.

Can't let me get away with what? I never said he would be a wide man or a number 10, I just said he's not a target man. I don't know how you can say he'll either be a target man or nothing as there are lots of examples of tall players whose height isn't the main part of their game. It is a big problem in England though - this focus on size is one of the reasons why the national team are doing so poorly. I said he was bought as a target man - where do you think he'll end up playing? If you remember the point it's about Lambert's reason for buying him.

So you don't agree with any of the points but you agree with point 3? Well, he won't play him unless forced so maybe he is a target man 'work in progress'. In your view what is he then? Genuine question. And how do you know that? Why would Lambert buy somebody that isn't a target man in order to turn him into one? There are plenty out there. He's good with the ball at his feet. Got good technique but not as strong as you might think. That's not even my view - that's the kind of player he is. His height is virtually irrelevant to that. Ok, fair enough. I'll rephrase that.... Helenius can describe himself as the next Iniesta or Tony Morley, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Look, let's be honest, we all know where players this tall end up playing in this league. He's no number 10. Never said he'd ever be as good as those two, but to brand him as a target man purely becuase of his height is just ridiculous. He may work on the physical aspects of his game but he will never be a target man. This is the problem with English football. It's all about height and size. If you're short you must be either a technical player or a fast winger, if you're tall you've got to be a CB or a target man. It doesn't seem to occur to some people that while height and size are relevant, they do not ultimately determine what kind of player a person will be. Sorry, can't let you get away with that. I will stick my neck out (like I do quite often) there is no way on earth he can be a wide man - being that tall he'll have the turning circle of a barge. Same for being a link up man. He will eventually be a target man or nothing - that is my prediction. Peter Crouch is a target man who 'has good feet for a big man'. Same thing. BTW - it's not just an English thing. Nonsense. I'm 6'3, absolutely shite in the air and can turn on a sixpence. Can't do anything else mind. Remind me of which top team you play for?

Well, he won't play him unless forced so maybe he is a target man 'work in progress'. In your view what is he then? Genuine question. And how do you know that? Why would Lambert buy somebody that isn't a target man in order to turn him into one? There are plenty out there. He's good with the ball at his feet. Got good technique but not as strong as you might think. That's not even my view - that's the kind of player he is. His height is virtually irrelevant to that. Ok, fair enough. I'll rephrase that.... Helenius can describe himself as the next Iniesta or Tony Morley, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Look, let's be honest, we all know where players this tall end up playing in this league. He's no number 10. Never said he'd ever be as good as those two, but to brand him as a target man purely becuase of his height is just ridiculous. He may work on the physical aspects of his game but he will never be a target man. This is the problem with English football. It's all about height and size. If you're short you must be either a technical player or a fast winger, if you're tall you've got to be a CB or a target man. It doesn't seem to occur to some people that while height and size are relevant, they do not ultimately determine what kind of player a person will be. Sorry, can't let you get away with that. I will stick my neck out (like I do quite often) there is no way on earth he can be a wide man - being that tall he'll have the turning circle of a barge. Same for being a link up man. He will eventually be a target man or nothing - that is my prediction. Peter Crouch is a target man who 'has good feet for a big man'. Same thing. BTW - it's not just an English thing.

I like Marc. Seems a decent chap. I know it's got F all to do with footballing ability, but some people you just want to do well in life.

Option 3 Like you I hope so. I agree there has to be time. twelve more months for me. I know so. You are Yuri Geller and I claim my five pounds.

So you don't agree with point 3 then?

Option 3 Like you I hope so. I agree there has to be time. twelve more months for me.

And your point is?

Lambert wasn't forced to take the job. He had a perfectly comfy one in East Anglia. There could be many scenarios to this: 1) he believed the youngsters he inherited were better than they are. 2) Lambert believed his own hype too much and has to adapt. 3) Lambert is the real deal and the plan is well on course (providing we don't go down). This is my fervent hope. and 4) He's crap, 1 dimensional and stuck in the dark ages. (unpalatable I know) but some on here just stick their fingers in their ears and won't entertain this as a valid option.