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Front Nationale have been 'prominent' for years, but France is not a 'moderate' country, it is a socialist country, and will always be so. Nationalist parties like FN and BNP appeal to voters who would normally vote for socialist parties, not more moderate right wing parties. And you base these outrageous statements on which in depth study. Oh , that would be the one carried out by the school of " I think it, so it must be true". In what way are these statements outrageous? They appear to have touched a nerve with you. Under Papa Le Pen, the FN were openly anti-Semitic - he himself was a Holocaust denier, and another prominent party members was known to be a fan of Ahmedinejad. Another gave a Nazi salute at a party rally and one more, known as one of the party's key intellectuals is described as a prominent anti-Semite. Petit Le Pen has moved to distance herself from anti-Semitism, even attempting to woo the Jewish vote. That has largely been created against a backdrop of growing distrust and dislike of the North African / Muslim community. At the present moment it seems an easier way to win elections, turning everyone against Muslims, than to turn everyone against Jews. The Jews are yesterday's villains. Any in-depth studies you'd like to reference in order to counter that? Maybe he was referring to the claim that parties like the BNP and FN normally appeal to voters who people who for socialists rather than the centre-right? Even then though I don't think there's anything wrong with that claim. I don't know about FN but it's hardly a secret that the BNP have done well in Labour areas in the past. I was, and it was in response to the 'worried' post regarding the rise of FN, in a country where I believe that the far right is even less likely to get a foothold than ours, so basically no chance. But it is always 'outrageous' to claim that the far right appeal to those who are, or who feel, less fortunate in society, and who would normally vote for left wing parties, because it doesn't quite fit. Birmingham's BNP councillor wasn't elected in Solihull or Four Oaks, he/she was elected in Kingstanding.(not very 'in depth' I know, but a fact nonetheless) Perhaps when Labour are next in they can commission one of their expensive in depth studies, the results of which they can use to educate people in target areas about the way that they should vote.

Which in depth studies say that UKIP, a party on an anti-EU ticket, with vocal concerns about intra-EU cross border free movement of population, are collectively racist?

Front Nationale have been 'prominent' for years, but France is not a 'moderate' country, it is a socialist country, and will always be so. Nationalist parties like FN and BNP appeal to voters who would normally vote for socialist parties, not more moderate right wing parties.

Baden Powell was 50 when he started the scouting movement.

So, don't you trust Ed? He fits your profile, but his problem is that he needs to wait another 6 years before his party may be fit to govern, and that is only if Ed Balls is ousted. But the wrong Ed will probably be ousted way before that.....

If there will be a new owner, it would be madness for them to retain Lambert. The moment that there were a few adverse results, then the supporters would be on Lambert's back, and the negativity would envelop the club. Any change in ownership is not going to instantly turn the team into top-half fighters, so chances are this could happen, creating more turbulence. New owner, new broom, new manager.

Will the home kit have a prominent white flag across the chest?

And people say that plane spotters are geeky Good advice. You have me thinking!

You have to comment on any negative post dont you? Just because others arent so full of the joys of believing bullshit doesnt mean they cant comment! As I commented a couple of days ago, the common VT ITKs are very quiet, which makes you wonder whether something is actually going on. The only 'ITK' stuff has been on TBAR, so it remains to be seen whether that is/was bullshit. But I don't believe that we have seen any potential bullshit on VT. Not yet, anyway.

Is that true? I'd say we have a worse squad. DOL was sacked and we've got a manager most fans can't stand. On top of that we've just had a season much worse than Doug's final year. Is there any difference between DOL and a manager we can't stand?

But then someone like Cortese would see straight through the god that was O'Neill. So Randy's chief exec versus the inexplicably popular manager. Cortese would have been gone as quick as you could say Richard Fitzgerald.

Flying at 0600, so I miss the opportunity. I don't think that my votes will be missed.

At BHX it is pretty much only Signature. Their local rival recently went bust. At busier UK airports and at most airports in the US, there are several handling agents. All private aircraft park at the Elmdon Apron, which is the Old Terminal for us pre-1984 types. Enough in depth geeky stuff, as we are swaying off topic. No more questions please!

Levy employed Redknapp. And Levy isn't 'smart' Not footbal-smart, anyway.

It's not where they park, it's how they park. After it became apparent that Randy Lerner's aircraft was being observed it started parking at an angle where the door was not visible from landside. Passengers would be driven to/from the aircraft with no fear of close scrutiny. The Rich aircraft was parked in a similar fashion, as some other completely unrelated aircraft are from time to time. Signature, the handling agent, are well versed in protecting their important clients, and there was/is a notice in their office forbidding any employee to speak about Randy Lerner's aircraft to any enquirer. Trees, is it possible that these private jets are shared around and "loaned" between wealthy folk? I just don't see how Robert Rich would be interested in buying Villa but I do wonder if Randy might have asked him to loan a jet in order to protect certain identities and cover tracks? Everything is possible, but there are plenty of private charter companies to hire from, without 'borrowing' When Les Wexner comes to town for the shooting season, he often invites his mates, but they all come in their own aircraft. It appears that no one gives any one a lift. And, as I have stated before, they are not going to not use their aircraft because of a few potential geeks on the internet.

It's not where they park, it's how they park. After it became apparent that Randy Lerner's aircraft was being observed it started parking at an angle where the door was not visible from landside. Passengers would be driven to/from the aircraft with no fear of close scrutiny. The Rich aircraft was parked in a similar fashion, as some other completely unrelated aircraft are from time to time. Signature, the handling agent, are well versed in protecting their important clients, and there was/is a notice in their office forbidding any employee to speak about Randy Lerner's aircraft to any enquirer.

Pretty topical, considering that the world's only two airworthy survivors will be united for a series of air shows in the UK this August. Exciting stuff for us plane geeks.

The aircraft is still here

Houllier thread, hall of fame. Please check it yourself.

Are there any ITK's in this thread, because I haven't seen any? To be honest the common ITK's, and those who profess to be ITK, have been so quiet that it makes you think that things may be further advanced than it seems. There are one or two posters on VT who possess high post counts, yet seem affronted and maybe even threatened by anyone who may have information that they don't, which is probably why TBAR has risen so swiftly, as the 'better fan/forum member than you' culture doesn't appear to exist over there. Not yet, anyway. Always reminds me of one of the memorable VT postings, by a none ITK who later changed his colours and declared himself one, posted in the thread before Houllier was manager. All part of the New Villa, get used to it have to agree. Keep praising us dont give us any difficult questions to answer and we'll throw you the odd crumb like good little boys and girls Ask us tough questions and just believe everything in the garden is not rosey and we'll take our bat and ball home

Nope, not relevant. If I started posting everything that comes through I would bore everyone, not just the few. Should it appear relevant at any point , then I will advise.

Teterboro is the main executive airport of NYC-think Heathrow busy, but just private jets. I assume that the occupants have business in NY-Buffalo from BHX is easy without the need to refuel. I am aware of WWE and Miley Cyrus related flights this past week or so. Also a couple of others, one a definite no, but another curious one that I couldn't link. There are plenty of flights, but I only flag up ones that *might* be relevant. And no, I don't generally see passenger lists, but on the odd occasion that I do, I would not report them anywhere.

Passengers

Nope, Rich Products.

And off they went to Teterboro Parked in a non-standard position, away from prying eyes. Multiple pax and a number of bags. Probably completely unrelated *gratuitous picture of aeroplane, taken at 1220