Ironsid Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 A bare minimum of two proven midfielders needed in the next window. If you're greedy and want to go for a belt and braces approach ask Santa for a quality centre half, a forward to replace the departing Bent and a decent winger to supply the crosses. Lambert's philosophy of buying hungry young players for the future is a sound project but if we want that future to be in the top league then a fairly quick fix seems to be called for. I don't go along with the notion that a year in the Championship would be a good thing. That division is a bar room brawl. There's no guarantee we'd be one of the last men standing at the end of a long, tough season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The only good thing about relegation would be more Saturday 3pm games and a chance to visit some new grounds and old stomping grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 And when we are 10 points adrift come Jan, I am guessing somebody else is to blame for that too? When? Do you have a time machine? 1 win in 19 games doesn't worry you? How about our worst start for 50 years? Of course it worries me, but 10 of those games were last season under McLeish. I also accept that forms change very often in football and see that just because we're not getting results now doesn't mean that will be the case for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Over a quarter of the season has gone. Wake up man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Over a quarter of the season has gone. Wake up man. You do know that 4x9 = 36 and not something higher than 38, right? Less than a quarter of a season has passed. Wake up to what exactly? I never denied that we were in the mix for relegation. We're outside of the relegation zone, with most of the season still to play, therefore there's more than enough time to save ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Did the global economy bounce back immediately from Black Tuesday or did it take a little while? Should Lambert be blamed for the last ten games of McLeish's reign which the latter was abused throughout each one of them? We'll get better if people don't get in the way and knock confidence by booing the manager and players for a result none of them could do much to alter. The main defence of Lambert seems to be based on the fact that he isn't McLeish. The football may be slightly better (I'd argue it isn't really though, but whatever) but the results are worse, and there's been no signs of any improvement since Lambert took over. We were dreadful yesterday, and had to hang for a point at home against Norwich. Lambert isn't going to fix this "economy" I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We had to hang on for a point because of the sending off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The main defence of Lambert seems to be based on the fact that he isn't McLeish. The football may be slightly better (I'd argue it isn't really though, but whatever) but the results are worse, and there's been no signs of any improvement since Lambert took over. We were dreadful yesterday, and had to hang for a point at home against Norwich. Lambert isn't going to fix this "economy" I'm afraid. This season has been every bit as bad, if not worse than anything McLeish served up last season. Lots of delusion around at the moment - this team of cheap foreigners and championship crap is heading in one direction - relegation. The only thing that will save us is a change of policy at the top. Lerner has to bite the bullet and open the wallet in January. He also needs to sack the person or persons who advised him that we could compete in the Premier League on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 28, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2012 They were the better side for the entire game. Were it not for Guzan and some poor finishing, they'd have battered us and we'd have deserved it. The sending off just exacerbated things. Had we hung on and not conceded, the story of the game would have been a complete robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 McLeish must be sat somewhere with a wry smile on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 McLeish must be sat somewhere with a wry smile on his face. Doubt it. We've been in this kind of form for the entire calendar year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 January will be key for us. Randy needs to give Lambert some money to strengthen on some quality players. We are pinning our hopes on January when by that point we could be 10 points adrift. As always, under Lerner we spend time looking at what we can do later. Houllier is crap, its ok we'll get a better man in a few months. McLeish is crap, its ok we'll get a better man in a few months. Downing has gone, we'll replace him at a later date. Young has gone, we'll replace him at a later date. Milner and Barry too. And now, it's ok as Lerner will spend tonnes of money in Jan. Yeah. likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We are pinning our hopes on January when by that point we could be 10 points adrift. As always, under Lerner we spend time looking at what we can do later. Houllier is crap, its ok we'll get a better man in a few months. McLeish is crap, its ok we'll get a better man in a few months. Downing has gone, we'll replace him at a later date. Young has gone, we'll replace him at a later date. Milner and Barry too. And now, it's ok as Lerner will spend tonnes of money in Jan. Yeah. likely. Spent money in January on Bent, so why cant it happen this January??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Can we loan players outside of the window ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Spent money in January on Bent, so why cant it happen this January??? It didn't happen last January when we needed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 When? Do you have a time machine? Of course it worries me, but 10 of those games were last season under McLeish. I also accept that forms change very often in football and see that just because we're not getting results now doesn't mean that will be the case for the rest of the season. Did you have a time machine last season? I seem to remember plenty of doom and gloom predictions from you about the future under Mcleish. But now its ridiculous to suggest any predictions for the future. Under houllier it was all the players fault, then under Mcleish it was all his fault and now you can't bring yourself to blame lambert or Lerner so you're full of wait and see and do you have a time machine. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutherland Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Did you have a time machine last season? I seem to remember plenty of doom and gloom predictions from you about the future under Mcleish. But now its ridiculous to suggest any predictions for the future. Under houllier it was all the players fault, then under Mcleish it was all his fault and now you can't bring yourself to blame lambert or Lerner so you're full of wait and see and do you have a time machine. Brilliant. Yeah lots of blind loving blinkered deluded football mugs about mate... maybe they should try putting there money were there mouth is... On the sand at wolverhampton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Did you have a time machine last season? I seem to remember plenty of doom and gloom predictions from you about the future under Mcleish. But now its ridiculous to suggest any predictions for the future.I never said things like "when we are relegated" last season. Under houllier it was all the players fault, then under Mcleish it was all his fault and now you can't bring yourself to blame lambert or Lerner so you're full of wait and see and do you have a time machine.I never blamed the players entirely under Houllier, I never blamed McLeish entirely last season, I haven't absolved Lambert of blame for our poor start this season and I never said Lerner wasn't at fault. Stop putting words into my mouth. It didn't happen last January when we needed it. We were midtable in January last seaosn, whereas the season before we were in and around the relegation zone. If we're down there again we will spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It didn't happen last January when we needed it. Good i'm glad he didn't spend any , would you trust McNugget with anymore money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I wouldn't trust Mcleish but at the same time our premiership status was under real threat and money was not provided. I hope it's not the same this January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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