Bolitics The New Condem Government

[Awol]

Sorry, are you saying it should be down to Labour to decide when the people of this constituency should be allowed to have a representative in Parliament?

Their MP was booted out for being a liar and racial rabble rouser, I'd suggest Labour owe his constituents a full apology and an immediate by-election so that they are correctly represented ASAP.

[drat01]

Yes Jon that is the protocol of by-elections.

You may not like it but them's the facts. This can easily be looked at as a tactical ploy by the ConDem's knowing a significant proportion of the vote in that constituency are students and by doing this in the timescales they are talking about removes them from the electoral process.

I cannot wait to see Cameron who is supposed to visit there commenting on opposing candidates, will certainly blow any bits of cover he has when he says they are separate parties

[Awol]

Good news for local authorities, there should now be at least one council going spare in UK:

here

Bye boys!

[tonyh29]

Yes Jon that is the protocol

is that the same protocol that Brown broke by travelling to the Palace to tender his resignation while formal talks between the Tories and lib Dems were still under way ...

Think of the 8th letter of the alphabet

now think of a word beginning with that letter

:winkold:

[Jon]

Hirsute?

[drat01]

Blimey Tony I have seen attempts at deflection but that is Teflon coated, black ice. There is no hypocrisy at all so to even attempt to say that is just laughable mate. The ConDem gvmt have broken protocol, pretty much as they have done on most things regarding elections to date. They realise the impact that the student vote will have and are ensuring that they are not hit by any sort of protest vote.

[tonyh29]

Hirsute

well tbf you got the first letter right so I'm gonna give you half a point

[drat01]

That's the only point you will get off Tony, the rumour being he never gets a point in for anyone :-)

[tonyh29]

errm it's these trousers they have really deep pockets and i've only got short arms

[Richard]

Blimey Tony I have seen attempts at deflection but that is Teflon coated, black ice. .

But nowhere near the deflection of Labour using the current line over the calling of an election to actually deflect from the issue of why it is being called in the first place!

The party line that you are using here is actually a nonsense in reality as moving the writ (which is giving you so much concern) is really an administrative function of parliament. If Labour were so appalled by this why did they not at least have the courage of their convictions and oppose the moving of the writ? They did not

In addition the last time an election result had been declared null and void - in Winchester in 1997 - the writ had been moved by the Liberal Democrats and not the Conservatives who had narrowly won the seat at the election. So I am afraid that Tony is right to use the H word.

It is all a huge smokescreen this that people are either naively peddling or peddling with the intent to deflect.

[snowychap]

From another thread:

Thing is, will it [VAT] ever come back down again?

Nah.

Osborne: VAT rise will be permanent

In an interview in The Spectator the Chancellor made it clear that the new 20 per cent rate would not be reversed.

He said the rise, from 17.5 per cent, was a “structural” change.

He said: “The VAT rise is not temporary. It can’t be. We are talking about a totally different scale of revenue and the VAT rise is a structural change to the tax system to deal with a structural deficit. “

The 2.5 per cent increase is predicted to raise an extra £13bn a year for the Treasury.

Mr Osborne said it was vital to sort out the public finances before any tax cuts could be introduced, signalling it was unlikely there would be enough surplus to allow it to happen before the next election.

He said: "Once we can bring some stability to the public finances, we can look at reducing the tax burden on people. But it is a complete mirage to cut taxes one year, then have to borrow the money and put up the taxes later to have to pay for that borrowing.”

However Mr Osborne indicated that the new 50p top rate of tax for high-earners would not be permanent.

He also held out the prospect of further cuts to corporation tax in the next few years.

[snowychap]

An important comment from the high court today about May's performance over the temporary (non EU) immigration cap:

The Beeb"]

"The secretary of state made no secret of her intentions," they stated. "There can be no doubt that she was attempting to side-step provisions for Parliamentary scrutiny set up under provisions of the 1971 Immigration Act and her attempt was for that reason unlawful."

...much more on the story on the link

[tonyh29]

European leaders have reached "a clear and unanimous agreement" exempting Britain from paying for crises in the eurozone from 2013.

Well Done Mr C , a step in the right direction

[Richard]

European leaders have reached "a clear and unanimous agreement" exempting Britain from paying for crises in the eurozone from 2013.

Well Done Mr C , a step in the right direction

Or telling other european countries to get their crisis in before 2013 !

[snowychap]

Or telling other european countries to get their crisis in before 2013 !

Very cynical. :winkold:

[tonyh29]

[drat01]

:-) - the way its made out that its a Euro crisis and forgetting the world. The CIA World factbook says that the debt as a % of GDP is different to how Sky report it

link

Japan - running at the second highest at 189.3%

Singapore - 113%

Iceland - 107%

Belgium - 97.6%

Canada - 75%

UK - 68.2%

Obviously the Sky one is an estimate and the CIA one is based on 2009 actuals.

Again its how and what you want to do with the figures

[Awol]

European leaders have reached "a clear and unanimous agreement" exempting Britain from paying for crises in the eurozone from 2013.

Well Done Mr C , a step in the right direction

Or telling other european countries to get their crisis in before 2013 !

The eurozone sovereign debt shit storm will be here not long after new year 2011, let alone 2013.

Have a look at the amount of debt Italy and Spain need to refinance next year - and keep your ears open for news on the Unicredit bank.

We'll be on the hook for the lot by the looks of things and will get dragged down with the rest of them.

[drat01]

The standard reports that Cameron wants the LibDem candidate to win in Oldham

Tory shock as PM wishes Lib-Dems well in by-election

The Prime Minister astonished Tories today by hinting he would like to see a Liberal Democrat victory in the Oldham by-election.

In comments that risk inflaming tensions in Conservative ranks, David Cameron wished Nick Clegg's party well and promised a "friendlier" campaign than at the general election.

"Obviously, in a coalition, you always wish your partners well. I think the coalition has worked extremely well," said Mr Cameron.

"We'll be fighting for the same votes. I hope that will be done in a slightly more friendly manner than it has in the past." Mr Cameron is already suspected by some Tory MPs of plotting a non-aggression pact with Lib-Dems for the 2015 election, which he denies.

Next month's poll in Oldham East and Saddleworth is seen as a big test for Mr Clegg's leadership. Former Labour minister Phil Woolas won in May but his victory was quashed when an election court ruled he lied about his Lib-Dem rival, who lost by 103 votes.

[Mantis]

Tory in name only.