Kingfisher Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'd love to change the system. We have the system that we have. I believe it's Green Party policy to change the system somewhat, and I think they'd operate the best as government within the limitations of the current set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 5, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'd love to change the system. We have the system that we have. I believe it's Green Party policy to change the system somewhat, and I think they'd operate the best as government within the limitations of the current set up.We have the system we have because the people accept it. If people wanted to change the system it would change, the tide is turning slowly at the minute but a single event could change that. Change will not happen from within parliament though of that I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I see Cameron got completely and utterly slaughtered today at PMQ's and Bercow go to the top of the class re the comment to Gove The Tory party do seem somewhat in disarray from the cock ups that Boris is making it certainly shows that the one that many look to as a replacement for Cameron is certainly not up for the job, nor is Gove. Who next a Tory woman? Bercow possibly in a very bad mood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I see Cameron got completely and utterly slaughtered today at PMQ's and Bercow go to the top of the class re the comment to Gove The Tory party do seem somewhat in disarray from the cock ups that Boris is making it certainly shows that the one that many look to as a replacement for Cameron is certainly not up for the job, nor is Gove. Who next a Tory woman? Bercow possibly in a very bad mood? I wonder why? But even so it was very good and funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Bercow possibly in a very bad mood? I wonder why? It seems that Bercow (Mr) and Gove (Mrs) have something in common: they both would appear to be of the opinion that having him - Gove (Mr) - 'hanging around the house ... is a complete nightmare'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So Boris - who in both of his election run ups was against closures to ticket offices - now says that they are OK. The workers have very little in the way of ammunition that they can use to fight for their rights and this Gvmt especially would love it if even more were taken away. Look at what the reasons are for the strike. I ve never heard any politicians make promises about transport and then fail to deliver when in power. Wilson and Beeching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 we have secret courts charging, jugding and sentencing, and now this legislation from 2006 seemingly being being used to section people who voice criticism of politicians. http://akashictimes.co.uk/uk-enforces-law-which-bans-public-from-criticising-the-govt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I am afraid I am far less sanguine when it comes to the ability of government to deliver the sort of housing people want. Once compulsory purchase is considered a legitimate way to obtain land for less than market value, the vision of a strong-arm big government solution is unavoidable. It sounds like the sort of vision which created the estates of the 1970s, which were demolished long before they were actually paid for. Places like Castle Vale was inspired by the deluded dreams of Le Corbusier and put high density tower blocks in a landscaped lawn with added sculpture, which was the state's vision of how they thought people should live, which turned out to be not quite what they needed. It was a classic top-down view. The people were packed away in the blocks, not making the place look too untidy and the planners could look at the green open spaces, and kid themselves that they had built an idyll for the proles. As ever the problems arose from the pressure to build a high number of dwellings at the lowest cost per unit. This is a problem which never goes away. Quantity always comes at the cost of quality and vice versa. Only in political hyperbole is it assumed that it doesn't. The government have no expertise in building houses and therefore must leave it to those who do, who inevitably turn it into an exercise in peculation. But whether it is the government or the private sector, I just don't believe that anyone can claim that building more houses to house more and more people, consuming more and more goods and services, can possibly be claimed to be good for the environment. And that is my problem with the Green party. They are too eager not to say anything which will upset anyone. They won't say anything negative about immigration because they don't want to upset people's liberal delusions. They don't want to tell people they should have fewer children, or that they should consume a lot less and not fly in aircraft. They don't want to tell people to give up their cars. I just think that any party which claims to be Green has to have the courage to tell the truth as they see it, not pretend that we can have everything we have now but with a few wind turbines to remind us how virtuous we are, as we dream of what we are going to buy this week. It is the same thing which frustrates me about Socialists who insist that socialism is possible without any sacrifices. Sorry, tried to reply earlier but having real problems with the quote function. You don't address several of the points I made,so I can't tell if you accept them. But on the points you make: Social housing is a mostly extremely successful attempt to counter the truly shocking, amoral, and lethal failures of the market to deliver decent housing. CPOs have been a policy tool accepted across all parties for many decades. Castle Vale and all the others didn't happen because councils became seduced by the dreams of architects they'd never heard of. What happened was that firms like Bovis and so many others successfully lobbied government to change the housing subsidy system to reward system build compared to better housing types. Keith Joseph, Minister of Housing and heir to Bovis, was instrumental in this. Read Dunleavy, History of Mass Housing in Britain, for the detail. It's not airy notions of architectural magnificence, just old-fashioned nobbling. The Greens do absolutely say unpopular things about transport,energy, lifestyles, immigration. How can you have missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'd love to change the system. We have the system that we have. I believe it's Green Party policy to change the system somewhat, and I think they'd operate the best as government within the limitations of the current set up. We have the system we have because the people accept it. If people wanted to change the system it would change, the tide is turning slowly at the minute but a single event could change that. Change will not happen from within parliament though of that I'm sureBring it on, I hope the revolution happens. I rather think there will be a slow evolution. One thing is for sure, things have to change, the old ways cannot continue. People will eventually twig that 'them lot' nearly all of them - the lobbyists, the MP's, the banks, they're working for themselves not the common man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I see Cameron got completely and utterly slaughtered today at PMQ's Despite number 10's best efforts to manipulate them as well http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10617436/David-Camerons-attempts-to-stage-manage-Prime-Ministers-Questions.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I see Cameron got completely and utterly slaughtered today at PMQ's Despite number 10's best efforts to manipulate them as well http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10617436/David-Camerons-attempts-to-stage-manage-Prime-Ministers-Questions.html Sir Alistair Graham, the former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, described the emails as “depressing”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) In another shocking revelation, the pope is catholic. So is Tony Blair, the guy who took phoney questions to a whole new level. Your local MP is paid to listen to his/her constituents. He should be addressing their concerns at PMQ's. not playing politics. PMQ's is a stage show. Edited February 6, 2014 by Kingfisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) In another shocking revelation, the pope is catholic. So is Tony Blair, the guy who took phoney questions to a whole new level. Your local MP is paid to listen to his/her constituents. He should be addressing their concerns at PMQ's. not playing politics.PMQ's is a stage show. It always seems that the vast majority of our so-called democracy is phony theatrics. PMQT is probably the worst example. The rules and the language are deliberately designed to obscure the brutal realities of politics and protect the guilty. Vicious acts of barbarism and cruelty are disguised by the use of censorship and euphemism, which ensures the self-delusions and denial of every scoundrel are never exposed, and their crimes are never prosecuted. They literally get away with murder. Edited February 6, 2014 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 So in a truly alarming turn of events, Mr Gove has become the spokesman for social mobility and Labour sit on their arse and defend the status quo (relating to private schools). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 ,,,,,,,,,, and Labour sit on their arse and defend the status quo , Surely whatever they want 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 So Cameron makes a big song and dance about the monies the Gvmt are giving to help with the floods etc. It's only when you look a bit further into it you start to realise its all a bit of a conjuring trick "Of the £130m total, £30m is to be spent in 2014/15 and £100m in 2015/16." So basically despite many areas being completely screwed and the potential for a repeat next year, they will have to wait for aid from the Gvmt until April 2015 before monies are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Not sure if right thread, but one of the plebgate cops has just been sentenced to a year inside. The guy who lied about being a witness to it. Seems a tad harsh!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Not sure if right thread, but one of the plebgate cops has just been sentenced to a year inside. The guy who lied about being a witness to it. Seems a tad harsh!? There does seem to be a bit of revenge in the severity of the sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 6, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2014 Not sure if right thread, but one of the plebgate cops has just been sentenced to a year inside. The guy who lied about being a witness to it. Seems a tad harsh!?Seriously? You think a year for a policeman perjuring himself is harsh?I think he got off lightly tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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