bickster Posted October 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2013 Not really Jon, the Liberals manifesto has been consistently more left than Labour for at least 15 years (pre-Blair), when Labour became a centre right party. Kinnock was the last time it could be seen to be visibly centre left and right now I'm undecided where they sit despite Tory Central Office's best spin to make the people think Milliband is the reincarnation of Uncle Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Well anyway Britain is a conservative with a small c country Otherwise why would more people be members of the NT than all the parties put together? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Tony please stop now you are causing problems again and making yourself look a fool In relation to links - that is one thing that the app cannot do (cut and paste - note to all I users). So if you now please accept that you misread the post, the Edit bit was not linked to the previous comment re the memorial / funeral thing and as has been explained by others Gove giving his support for the Mail is something that he (and the Tory party) must examine, we can all move on. Anyway, ignoring this deflection, it seems that this whole story just wont go away and the impact is one that could have an impact on various things so it seems. You wonder if Dave and co are now hoping for another major story to emerge to move the emphasis away from Milliband cut and paste works on an I-phone and the VT app btw but as your next posts had links either you worked this out or switched devices ( As this isn't the Trueman show perhaps from now on you could tell us at the end of each post what device you are using so then we'd know before making a comment ) and A) will you stop with the pointless name calling ,it just makes you look silly and churlish .. perhaps you'll be kind enough to apologise at some point for your over reaction to a polite question read the post again , I asked a question , asked you to clarify what was written .. that you went off some pointless attack is rather curious .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think this is the crux of the matter, most people don't give a toss about politics. I think the majority will not be swayed either way. The Mail has almost twice the readership of the mirror, but that doesn't show in Voting at Elections. You could argue many Labour voters buy the mail. I think people buy papers for the other stuff, crosswords, sport etc. So the mail will print what it likes if it thinks it will sell papers. And politicians will use the papers as much as they are abused by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:16 PM, said: This latest intrusion by the Mail is astonishing. Sneaking into a private service, holding the hand of one of the mourners and pretending to commiserate - it's like a parody of the sort of thing the Leveson Inquiry heard about at great length. where is this coming from ? I've only seen that they sent a reporter ,uninvited into the service " seeking comments on the controversy over the Daily Mail’s description of my late father as someone who “hated Britain”. " reported anywhere , no mention of hand holding etc Guardian. The reporter at one point held the hand of one of the grieving relatives and then twice asked her to comment on Ralph Miliband, the source said. She refused to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It would seem that two reporters now have been suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hasn’t the MoS offered an unreserved apology? Without a doubt the culture of Cing and Double Cing at the Mail has many of its staff living in fear of the sack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:45 PM, said: tonyh29, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:24 PM, said: peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:16 PM, said:peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:16 PM, said: This latest intrusion by the Mail is astonishing. Sneaking into a private service, holding the hand of one of the mourners and pretending to commiserate - it's like a parody of the sort of thing the Leveson Inquiry heard about at great length. where is this coming from ? I've only seen that they sent a reporter ,uninvited into the service " seeking comments on the controversy over the Daily Mail’s description of my late father as someone who “hated Britain”. " reported anywhere , no mention of hand holding etc Guardian. Quote The reporter at one point held the hand of one of the grieving relatives and then twice asked her to comment on Ralph Miliband, the source said. She refused to do so. Ta .. I'd only really seen Ed's letter and he didn't refer to this so was curious as to where it had come from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think this is the crux of the matter, most people don't give a toss about politics. I think the majority will not be swayed either way. The Mail has almost twice the readership of the mirror, but that doesn't show in Voting at Elections. You could argue many Labour voters buy the mail. I think people buy papers for the other stuff, crosswords, sport etc. So the mail will print what it likes if it thinks it will sell papers. And politicians will use the papers as much as they are abused by them The Mail is getting a lot of publicity at the moment , all be it mostly / all negative .. but they always use to say There is no such thing as bad publicity .... but that was before twitter and the like , so it's possible that a bandwagon is forming as we speak and the Mail may face a backlash that they weren't prepared for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 The Mail’s website is the no.1 “news” website in the UK i believe, and you can see why, a constant mixture of gossip and columns designed to outrage/titilate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hasn’t the MoS offered an unreserved apology? Without a doubt the culture of Cing and Double Cing at the Mail has many of its staff living in fear of the sack... It's not clear. alex thomson @alextomo 27m Mail on Sunday refuse to say whether or not editor has 'unreservedly apologised'. Refuse to answer any questions at all by phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It would seem that two reporters now have been suspended. Like trying to deal with Fukushima by giving it a wipe down with a damp cloth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Tony please stop now you are causing problems again... Yes Tone, stop causing problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 The DM Reporter @DMReporter 17m APPEAL: Do you live near the Miliband family? Have you slept with one? Read their diary? Bugged their room? Heard them pee? Get in touch now The DM Reporter @DMReporter 13m UPDATE: We would like up unreservedly apologise for the previous tweet. It was someone else’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hasn’t the MoS offered an unreserved apology? Without a doubt the culture of Cing and Double Cing at the Mail has many of its staff living in fear of the sack... It's not clear. alex thomson @alextomo 27m Mail on Sunday refuse to say whether or not editor has 'unreservedly apologised'. Refuse to answer any questions at all by phone... Guardian now carrying the text of the apology. So it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 2:24 PM, said: peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 2:00 PM, said: PauloBarnesi, on 03 Oct 2013 - 1:49 PM, said: Hasn’t the MoS offered an unreserved apology? Without a doubt the culture of Cing and Double Cing at the Mail has many of its staff living in fear of the sack... It's not clear. Quote alex thomson @alextomo 27m Mail on Sunday refuse to say whether or not editor has 'unreservedly apologised'. Refuse to answer any questions at all by phone... Guardian now carrying the text of the apology. So it must be true. Not sure if serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 well with the Guardian’s legacy of quality copy proofing you can never be sure what they mean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 well with the Guardian’s legacy of quality copy proofing you can never be sure what they mean They have far fewer proper typos these days. But more childish spelling mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 In the old days the typesetters were paid for the amount of copy they set, not the amount of correct copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 In the old days the typesetters were paid for the amount of copy they set, not the amount of correct copy... That's like the story of the collapsing ceilings in ballrooms, traced back to a chandelier company which used a performance indicator based on weight of production... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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