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Jon, on 01 Oct 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

Which thread should this be in? :huh:

 

unless Ed has defected to the Tory or Lib party , it should go in the Next leader of the Labour party thread

 

I'm just being a pedant as Blandy moaned at me the other week for putting an Ed post in here :)

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peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

 

Jon, on 01 Oct 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

 Even Dave has offered some degree of support for his position on this.

 

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Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan 4m

Cameron refuses to condemn Mail attack on dead dad while Jeremy Hunt joins in. Is Tory Party coordinating its attacks with the Mail? #nasty

 

 

 

David Cameron admitted he had not read the orginal article nor Mr Miliband's response, but said: "All I know is that if anyone had a go at my father, I would want to respond very vigorously.

"There's not a day goes by that you don't think about your dad and all that he meant to you, so I completely understand why Ed would want to get his own point of view across."

 

 

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The response of the Tory party has been somewhat iffy hasn't it. Cameron certainly fell short of what he should have said and some of the other stuff just confirms long held suspicions of what motivates them. A perfect own goal during their conference and actually quite a disturbing one

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peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

For anyone who might have thought the term "Daily Heil" simply indicates that the Mail is pretty right wing, it actually refers to the keen support of its proprietor for Nazis, and Hitler.

 

Miliband's father fought Hitler; Lord Rothermere sucked up to him.

 

This is what makes the Mail's position not just nasty, offensive and wrong, but also mindbendingly hypocritical. 

 

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Rothermere sold the paper some years ago did he not  .. anyone would think we were in the DPRK and the sins of the Father type scenario

 

It would be like calling the Mirror  offensive and wrong and holding them responsible for Morgan's actions in  falsifying fake pictures of Iraq torture

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Actually dem I think he would have done. Cameron has a duty not only as leader of political party but also as pm to decry what happened. So far he has failed to do that for shame .

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drat01, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Actually dem I think he would have done. Cameron has a duty not only as leader of political party but also as pm to decry what happened. So far he has failed to do that for shame .

 

 

I think it's shocking that Cameron hasn't commented on this and he should be sacked immediately , he can't possibly have anything else going on in his life and it's shameful he hasn't commented on the story

 

there is also a story on page 7 that I'm eagerly awaiting his urgent press release on  , not to mention I'd like to know his views on the Everton game last night  

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Nice (typical) deflection tony. So you think this is not a leading story and worthy of comment? Cameron was asked and failed to condemn it so sort of pisses on your chips somewhat

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Rothermere sold the paper some years ago did he not  .. anyone would think we were in the DPRK and the sins of the Father type scenario

 

It would be like calling the Mirror  offensive and wrong and holding them responsible for Morgan's actions in  falsifying fake pictures of Iraq torture

Nice use of irony - sins of the father.  Remind me what the original smear was again?

 

The Mirror sacked Morgan for those photos.  In other words, they accepted responsibility, and acted.  Has the Mail apologised for its past Nazi sympathies? It continues to be an outlet for the most hateful frothings of the rabid right.

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drat01, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

Nice (typical) deflection tony. So you think this is not a leading story and worthy of comment? Cameron was asked and failed to condemn it so sort of pisses on your chips somewhat

 

I already posted  Cameron's comment in this thread

 

He said he hadn't seen the article and defended Ed's right to reply 

 

Perhaps once he has read the article he might make a comment ,it would be rather stupid of him to comment on it before hand  , don't you think ?

 

whilst we are waiting for Cameron to have his breakfast and read the papers , could you find me the link to Ed's condemnation of this disgraceful headline   ...

 

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or if that is too difficult , how about his condemnation of Labours candidate in Eastleigh  John O'Farrell who said he regretted that Thatcher hadn't died in the Brighton Bomb 

 

 

 

or perhaps you can just hide behind "Ahhhh but "  instead

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didn't Tony post just above that Cameron did comment on it?.

 

And is it really a leading story?

 

You must see the yawning gulf between those vacuous comments, and criticising the story.

 

The criticism of Cameron is that he has not criticised the Mail's story - not that he has not uttered a few words on the general subject in response to a direct question.

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Rothermere sold the paper some years ago did he not  .. anyone would think we were in the DPRK and the sins of the Father type scenario

 

It would be like calling the Mirror  offensive and wrong and holding them responsible for Morgan's actions in  falsifying fake pictures of Iraq torture

Nice use of irony - sins of the father.  Remind me what the original smear was again?

 

The Mirror sacked Morgan for those photos.  In other words, they accepted responsibility, and acted.  Has the Mail apologised for its past Nazi sympathies? It continues to be an outlet for the most hateful frothings of the rabid right.

 

 

it was a deliberate use of the words as it was used in this very forum a few days back (possibly in the Labour thread)

 

I'm assuming your accepting responsibility and acted line also extends to Murdoch  ... no thought not

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Perhaps once he has read the article he might make a comment ,it would be rather stupid of him to comment on it before hand  , don't you think ?

 

He was quite happy to attack Hilary Mantel's piece on Kate Middleton, which he hadn't read.  There is more reason for him to comment on this issue, as it's about a million miles closer to his responsibilities, the role of the press, and the conduct of political debate.

 

Not that I believe he hasn't read it, or at least have a very accurate understanding of exactly what the Mail said.

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colhint, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

I did read it and he did comment on it. He defended ED on the radio.

 

It is the 5th Story on the BBC. 

 

 

Only the 5th ..outrageous .... it must be the forces of repression and They are everywhere ... 

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it was a deliberate use of the words as it was used in this very forum a few days back (possibly in the Labour thread)

 

I'm assuming your accepting responsibility and acted line also extends to Murdoch  ... no thought not

Are you unaware of the long and disreputable history of Murdoch's delays and evasions and concealment over the whole hacking saga?  Seriously?

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peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

tonyh29, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:tonyh29, on 01 Oct 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

it was a deliberate use of the words as it was used in this very forum a few days back (possibly in the Labour thread)

 

I'm assuming your accepting responsibility and acted line also extends to Murdoch  ... no thought not

Are you unaware of the long and disreputable history of Murdoch's delays and evasions and concealment over the whole hacking saga?  Seriously?

 

 

 

I think the phrase is deflection

 

if the Mirror are forgiven , then surely Murdoch is ... it's an easy enough question , a simple yes or No is all it requires

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peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:peterms, on 01 Oct 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

For anyone who might have thought the term "Daily Heil" simply indicates that the Mail is pretty right wing, it actually refers to the keen support of its proprietor for Nazis, and Hitler.

 

Miliband's father fought Hitler; Lord Rothermere sucked up to him.

 

This is what makes the Mail's position not just nasty, offensive and wrong, but also mindbendingly hypocritical. 

 

BVeUb8OCIAAsTYn_zpsd3b383fe.jpg

 

Rothermere sold the paper some years ago did he not  .. anyone would think we were in the DPRK and the sins of the Father type scenario

 

It would be like calling the Mirror  offensive and wrong and holding them responsible for Morgan's actions in  falsifying fake pictures of Iraq torture

 

 

They're attacking Miliband by smearing his father, but it's not fair to point out distasteful facts about the Dail Mail's history? What's good for the goose...

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