El Zen Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I'm a firm republican. The very principle of monarchy is against everything I believe in and what I think is right. I don't care one bit about the practical side to the question, and how "the royal family is a tourist attraction that generates income and a symbol that keeps the nation together". Not interested, monarchy and hereditary positions of power is wrong from A to Z and is one of the very few things left over from an age and a political system I sure as hell am happy not to have had to live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^ What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Royal Family please... I think they're great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I'll keep my royal family with parliamentary sovreignty please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 any system that meant someone has to change their religion to be married into it is corrupt and out of place in this world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 No head of state should be decided on birth. Every child born in a country should be able to aspire to the role. Anything else is tantamount to saying that their children are better than ours. In the 21st century a medieval system like this is an anachronism. As for the ridiculous argument about tourism...France has more tourists than Britain, and where are their royals :shock: Just for a moment imagine that all history was forgotten and we were deciding how to appoint our head of state. Someone jumps up and states" I think my child should be head of state, and my family should hold the position forever. Your children can call us highnesses and we'll call you our subjects" Hmmmm...no thanks. Anyway as role models , this disfunctional, cold and rather odd German Greek family leave a lot to be desired. A referendum on the question could be held perhaps every 10 years. I'd be prepared to abide by the result. At least it would give them some legitimacy. But the British people, unlike our Antipodean cousins, have never been afforded the right to decide on the matter. I would like that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Have never liked the royal family...mainly because i feel that the state has done nothing to help me...never picked up benefits of any kind in my life...nor do i qualify for any of them!! why should these people be allowed to live off other peoples taxes?? its a farce that in the 21st century an institution such of this still exists!...another thing i object to is the class system in general and the root of that is the royal family, get rid of them NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villal Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I really think it would make no difference to how the vast majority of us live. I am no fan of the royals but what would the tabloids fill their pages with if they weren't around (apart from more tits! - hang on - off with their heads)?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Bill, spot on, I can;t belive so called democrats onn this thread support the notion of the head of state only being there because of Birth and marriage and the 'subjects' have no say on this ... and of course the royals only marry those on the same social level as themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 much as I think Oliver Cromwell was the greatest Englishman to ever live I'd say Monarchy America and France don't have Royal fmailies and ..well case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 so why was Cromwell so great, he abolished the monarchy didn't he ? and also Tony, America has not done too bad with a president has it ? the most powerful nation on earth, well at least unti 2040 when China will take that mantle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 so why was Cromwell so great, he abolished the monarchy didn't he ? which is why I wrote "much as " he did a lot lot more than abolish the monarchy ..he created the commonwealth ensured English commercial greatness and his military achievements in the Civil Warensured the permanent defeat of monarchical absolutism and the survival of English parliamentary institutions there is of course more ... but not for this topic and also Tony, America has not done too bad with a president has it ? the world begs to differ otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 the world says that actually they are a powerful country, their politics is different. but they have a strong president and head of state, we don't also unlike us they have a strong written consitution which we can't have ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Tony as a democrat you must admit the absurdity of an head state by birth is just wrong ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Long live our Gracious Queen! I think they are a little more popular in the country than people on here think, didn't several Million turn up for the jubilee parade, and I wonder how many turn up for the Changing of the guard, and other such royal ceremonies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 So Nick are you a Democrat ? obviously not as you believe we should have an head of state by birth and patronage and not the will of the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Tony as a democrat you must admit the absurdity of an head state by birth is just wrong ... not this old chesnut agian as a pipe smoking socialist you must admit the absurdity of buying and selling and having a price system , rent, interest , profit and a wages system etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 how many times do I have to say this I am not a socialst but the closest comes is a social democrat and look at what I say about the free market ... now back to the point which is relevant to the thread you posted it, can you be a democrat and still support the notion of leadership by birth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 So Nick are you a Democrat ? obviously not as you believe we should have an head of state by birth and patronage and not the will of the people What? So when was the last time Royal Assent refused to pass a bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 you miss the point so many times or refuse to acknowledge it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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