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Especially after Ellis, too. I don't get it either. Personally I think he hasn't been as bad as some people have made out. Although the last few years have been poor I believe he has always had the best interests of the club at heart. When he landed he said if it didn't work he would step aside and true to his word he is. He has imo tried to maintain the great traditions of the club and redeveloped in certain areas. Also he ensured that the boys of 82 were recognised by the club for their great achievement, unlike the previous owner. Ok it hasn't quite worked out on the pitch recently, but no one can say he didn't give it a go. My only hope now is that he sells to someone equally as ambitious as he was when he first arrived. He leaves with my blessing.

My thoughts excactly. Would be better of saying nothing until something concrete happens. Afyer all they've said pretty much nothing for the last few years, another month or 2 would make no difference.

As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you. I think people expected us to finish higher than 15th, but to be quite frank, do we have even the 15th best squad in the league? Not without Benteke and Okore IMO. Us our squad better even than Fulhams, who finished bottom? Not sure. Personally I expected better than last season considering the added investment in the summer and the addition of 8 players. I believe the squad is better than 15th and our problems have also been brought about from not just minimal investment but poor decision making from the manager. I don't just blame lambert, but blaming the fans is a bit shortsighted imo. Especially when they have been very supportive until recently.

As I've seen written elsewhere, if your lamp doesn't work with three different bulbs it's the lamp that's the problem, not the bulbs. Maybe the batch of bulbs are faulty and not the lamp! You are right though about expectations however I don't think anyone expected miracles, just get the basics right. Which hasn't been delivered. And lets be fair you dont need messi, ronaldo etc to get the basics right do you.

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!!Villa stopped being great when we had to rely on league one players in the premier league. I believe he is too good for Villa. Don't care if anybody disagrees. Greatness isn't achieved over night and it hasn't been destroyed just because we have a poor squad of players. This club will always be great regardless of what division we play in, who owns us, manages us or plays for us. One thing is also certain. No manager or player will ever be too good for this great club.Maybe I said something I shouldn't have, but the reality is that the squad is inexperienced and weak, the supporters are impatient and fickle, the owner is cheap, and the manager gets the blame. Momo, I'm going to be as respectful as possible to your comments. You talk shit!! Hahaha...that's constructive. So what is the reality? Do you mean the squad is experienced and strong, the supporters are patient, the owner is wasting money for fun on Villa? The supporters have been very patient and not fickle! The squad was believe it or not, put together by the love of your life, not the fans or the owner. I don't expect you to understand that though!

**** me - I've heard it all now. Lerner may not be perfect and has made some howlers but you can't fault him he put his own money in the club unlike that other one who relegated us - dismantled the European and League Champions - called fans 'men on the terrace' and had just as much (if not more) disrespect/contempt for the fans and shareholders as Lerner.For me I didn't experience any of that. In my experience as a villa fan I'd have to say lerner has been worse, however I recognise what Doug did in the past was awful. In terms of putting money in, I don't think that means he gets a free pass, I also think he'll get a lot of it back when he eventually sells. I think he's been a shocking owner and the fact our last 3 years have seen less points than Doug's final season shows how poorly he's run the club so far. He's gambled with our premiership status and has dragged us down to a level I've never seen us in before. I can't wait for his statement telling us he's leaving. I just hope for the sake of other sports fans out there he doesn't buy another sporting team. I have to agree with John. It sounds like Ellis really messed the club up in the 80s but I was too young to experience that. In my time as a Villa fan the last 2 seasons have been the worst I have experienced. The only shining light has been Bentake. Not just 80's - when we finished 2nd in the inaugral season - instead of investing to push us forward he held us back - sacked Ron Atkinson (who had an aging squad and it clearly needed investing in). So no problem guys with your views at all but some of us had over 25 years of him and that was more than enough! But he did then get Brian Little in that gave us 3 great seasons and left a good squad for the next manager. He think he made a massive mistake backing Gregory. I agree he would get us so far and then never push on until we ended up standing still or going backwards. Do you think though that had ellis put the extra mil on the table for juninho things may have turned out a little different for gregory. If i remember rightly we had him down villa for talks before boro?

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!! Villa stopped being great when we had to rely on league one players in the premier league. I believe he is too good for Villa. Don't care if anybody disagrees. Greatness isn't achieved over night and it hasn't been destroyed just because we have a poor squad of players. This club will always be great regardless of what division we play in, who owns us, manages us or plays for us. One thing is also certain. No manager or player will ever be too good for this great club. Maybe I said something I shouldn't have, but the reality is that the squad is inexperienced and weak, the supporters are impatient and fickle, the owner is cheap, and the manager gets the blame. Momo, I'm going to be as respectful as possible to your comments. You talk shit!!

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!! Villa stopped being great when we had to rely on league one players in the premier league. I believe he is too good for Villa. Don't care if anybody disagrees. Greatness isn't achieved over night and it hasn't been destroyed just because we have a poor squad of players. This club will always be great regardless of what division we play in, who owns us, manages us or plays for us. One thing is also certain. No manager or player will ever be too good for this great club. If I'm not mistaken even Lambert has aknowledged how great a club villa is. Something I have always believed since I first entered VP back in 1980 and looked upon the famous holte end. Something my kids believe and hopefully in time grandchildren. It's a massive club just, underachieving at the moment, but hopefully not for long.

For once gentleman i totally agree with you. Best away following bar none.

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!! Villa stopped being great when we had to rely on league one players in the premier league. I believe he is too good for Villa. Don't care if anybody disagrees. You taking the piss right? Lambert to good for Villa?! Lambert signed the league 1 players you mentioned not lerner.

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!! Sorry momo I just couldn't help myself!

**** all those that love a manager who has proven to be completely out of his depth at OUR GREAT CLUB!!!

We need men not boys in the middle. Something we've been crying out for. Players with fight in their bellies and a nasty streak. We've been far to lightweight for far to long.

So you'd find it funny to see our club continue to decline so you can laugh at the fans that want success? I want success but not a chance in hell like the City way, soulless. Don't have a problem with want fans want, but they know it's the wrong way about things; it's why they hide behind they want the club run properly bollocks. When really we could be run like a corner shop and they wouldn't care as long as money is spunked on players and we're on Sky sports news yellow bar. Nothing souless about the etihad today mate. I'd love to see us have that sort of atmosphere back down vp.

Paul if what you say is true and the players were knackered after wednesday(which i dont disagree with-to a point), why not bring in clark for baker, luna for bertrand, robinson or grealish for gabby,bowery or wiemann, what about helenius or tonev. You see where i'm going... poor decisions= poor results = poor manager. Maybe if he had utilised all of the squad instead of persisting with virtually the same 11 week after week no matter how crap we may have been fresher and more up for it in the final few games. For me lambert is to blame for his own downfall.

Not been a fan long then??You disagree? 25 years I can remember. Can't quite remember McNeil but Lambert has even been worse than Venglos I do - been a villa fan more than twice as long - so have seen worse (managers and players). Lambert is one in a line we have had with two chairmen who cut costs - one did at least put his on money into the club and one who just took money out. What you after a medal for being older?! Xela used the term "worst manager he can remember". What a stupid comment!!! All I said was had he been a fan for long! and I pointed out that in MY Time I had seen worse so what's your problem?? Yours was stupid and patronising to xela. Then to twist it into a doug v randy statement wasn't clever either. The original comment was about the manager not the chairman. Wrong thread.

Not been a fan long then?? You disagree? 25 years I can remember. Can't quite remember McNeil but Lambert has even been worse than Venglos I do - been a villa fan more than twice as long - so have seen worse (managers and players). Lambert is one in a line we have had with two chairmen who cut costs - one did at least put his on money into the club and one who just took money out. What you after a medal for being older?! Xela used the term "worst manager he can remember".

Best manager since saunders eh richard?

WM, lambert says"glad it's over". He's definitely gone!

I think you should put a bid in for the villa pilchard with your winnings. £850 reckon you might get change from that!

I dunno.. think he'd over do the chicken!

If the alternatives are Pulis, Di MAtteo, Moyes and Fat sam, then YES There are plenty of other leagues with promising managers in them. Yes, but alot of Villafans are pointing out the managers i mentioned. Come back with some proper managers and let's talk I'd trust the manager at my local kfc than lambert the prick!!

What?! Every match day?

We want our villa back, we want our villa back,we want our villa back......

Is that from our fans or their's? Surely not ours the best manager since Ron Saunders ffs My thoughts excactly. Where are you momo and richard??