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One thing that was cleanly obvious tonight was Lambert cost Villa the game with his shit 5-3-2. Changed to 4-4-2 far too late. Played Bent in a system that was to narrow and then took him off when we started to play with width. I think most managers could get our team more organised than this idiot. Deserves all the stick he gets IMO. If Vila don't sack him we are down!

Well put. I would say this though. At least the fan's had a relationship with Ellis even if a love, hate one. We hated him, he loved himself. Doug would never gamble hence he broke my heart(you know what I mean) when letting Juninho go to Middlesborough for the sake of £1m - The biggest rick ever IMO. Countless times he proved to be a stubborn old bastard who more often than not didn't give a shit about the fan's. When I think about things and the way the club is now I though believe that although Ellis had his faults he gave more of a shit than Lerner after all Villa were his principle interest for many years, yet Lerner it appears got himself a toy and is now bored of it. We were under Doug's tenure very much like the Everton of now without the David Moyes. We were a tight ship, although lacking ambition not wanting to visit better places, instead happy doing day trips. Now under Lerner however we are a like a ship that was heading for sunnier climates(ChampLeague), got lost on the way(MON), hit an iceberg(GH), became rudderless(AM) and is heading straight towards the rocks(Championship). Worst of all the Captain(Lerner) has just jumped on the only helicopter and **** off with the officers(Krulak and Co) leaving the cook(Paul Lambert not steven segal!) and the washer-upper(Paul Faulkner) in charge. If anyone's wondering about lifeboats(plan B.) The Captain in his wisdom never thought we would need them after all he'd been on the journey before - silly bastard forgot though, he nearly sunk the last boat! Rough seas ahead on the HMS Aston Villa.

Interesting article in the Mail. The similarities that are now occurring between us and the browns appear to be little more than coincidence. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-randy-lerner-has-heard-1243683

This was my thought after reading the statement, most of it generic bullshit backing Lambert yet not backing Lambert. And this said everything anyone needs to know about where we are, basically saying go **** yourselves, I'm not spending. Lerner admits there is little time left to strengthen his squad in the January window and said: "At this minute there's not much really happening. There's been guys we went for who have gone to other clubs". Randy Lerner could easily have bankrolled a couple of decent signings on the promise that certain players would leave, be released or sold in the summer to re-balance the books - . He has chosen not to proving lMO he doesn't really give a shit what happens as long as costs are cut. He is whichever way you look at it gambling with the top flight future of Aston Villa FC by choosing to do absolutely nothing. IT'S TIME TO GO LERNER!

You see your at it again.. Don't take part of what I said mate, use all of it. You said "who gives a **** what villa fan's think", which is what I replied to not the English bit, read all your post. I don't give a shit what other fans think I was merely stating even most neutrals think/accepted Villa are down. And I think the majority of villa fan's on here and elsewhere believe it also the way things are going.

Where did I say I cared about what other fan's think? Why you making shit up? You mentioned ashley westwood who in my opinion isn't ready for the first team so I don't need to visit that thread. And just to put you straight. I go out plenty fella if you have a look I haven't posted anywhere near as much as you.

Who gives a ****? The same **** Villa fans who spend their hard earned cash on supporting their local club that's who and watch it getting dragged down by mismanagement! And who mentioned ashley westwood being world class? because I didn't. When you mention the managers and players acceptance of course that is interpreted through body language and performances, which if I'm mistaken have been crap for a long time.

I think your wrong Woodytom. I think the majority of English football fans have accepted Villa are going down including most Villa fans while Lambert is in charge. Even the players look to have accepted it along with the manager. It's a disgrace!

That possible honeymoon period may just be enough to keep us up. I would pay Lambert to go. I would rather see Cowans and McAndrew manage until the end of the season the guy is a **** joke!

Yet for some reason there are fans out there who think we would come back up straight away with Lambert in charge?

I think fans need to show their discontent on tuesday. Enough is enough now the prick has had more support than anyone yet has continually failed to organise or rectify the mistakes being made week after week. The guy is a proper prick and anyone backing him seriously should question their own loyalty!!!

I think they may even wait until the end of the season instead and get him for absolute peanuts if we go down. All the teams around us are scoring goals at the moment although I wouldn't bet against someone throwing in a cheeky 4-5m bid last minute as you said. I would put my arm around him, tell him how great he is, start pinging balls in from the flanks and guaranteed he'll start scoring if fit. I honestly think he's worth more to us now than ever and if we do manage to stay up may even get at little closer to what we paid for him back. I would play him and Benteke together with Gabby and Zog on the wings in the run in. Use Wiemann in rotation of the front 2.

It's ok I believe you!

Con, this is very assertive attitude your are displaying and without statistical reference- I like it!!.

Boycotting the games is a waste of time . Loads have been doing it the last couple of years and it will steadily increase if the situation stays the same but it's had no effect on the football as it has stayed shit. I suggest getting rid of 'shit support M'lord' and start singing the lords prayer instead- with hands together of course. Any thoughts?

Fair enough. Just thought it was a little harsh on him though. You don't have to keep banging the drum though if somebody's not listening or your head Oh and the Bent, Zog and Ireland not being good players. Was that before they came to Villa to work with average at best managers or before?

That was okay I suppose. Lambert though appears to dispense candy from his arse! Both have been abysmal managers for Villa for very similar reasons. Lerner can't distinguish a good scot manager from a shit one.

It does very much appear to be heading this way. What pisses me personally is he has in essence thrown every season ticket holders money down the drain this year if this is the case though. Also there is nothing concrete to suggest Lambert will get us back up either and I wouldn't personally reward the prick for failure!

That will reduce the wage bill to zero in weeks!!

What criticisms are scraping the barrell? Villa being shit! Or are you saying nothings his fault and it's all down to Randy. And I have every right to question his tactical intelligence after the performances and decision making we've witnessed this season. And I'm sorry but to claim that a manager isn't responsible for his players on the pitch is a little blind. I'm not saying Lambert is to blame for all of them but none of them? So he's only responsible for the players he brought in, is that what your saying the rest don't matter?

He knows what? What pant's Lambert wears? What Randy had for Lunch?!

Your a very patronising person hairyhands! AndyM has only from what I can see in his previous posts questioned the situation at the club he supports. Questioned the managers logic as most of us have recently and the transfer situation. Maybe he has had a little rant but don't we all. Then you talk down to Andy like he's an angry fool after questioning his intelligence(are you thick??, try to sound less angry, are you moonman etc). I'm questioning whether or not you are PL, a mate of PL or PL's PA because you appear to be into PL more than AV. Fan's have every right to question all that goes on down the Villa especially under present circumstances. Most people would agree not all of Lamberts signings have been poor however I think the majority of people have issues with both Lerner and Lambert. The former for being a voiceless prick and the latter for being tactically unintelligent, his inability to get the best out of what he's got, organise the team or improve on mistakes, same shit excuses - take your pick I could go on?! Personally I might question it but I don't judge any manager on the players they buy, only what they do with them. And although I agree that some of his signings are decent with the likes of Benteke, Vlaar and Lowton,in my opinion he's done **** all with decent players in Bent,Ireland and NZog(until recently) and nothing with the rest of the squad!

I just don't see any improvement at all in the areas we commit the most errors. Set pieces, Midfield play, tactically. It's like nobody is improving on weaknesses. Now I honestly believe the time spent training would improve us on the mistakes we keep making, yet either the players are completely retarded or the blind(Lambert) is leading the blind(players). And I think it's plainly obvious things point to the later. Why the hell would you hire or employ so called professionals to continually make the same errors which are to all who see bloody obvious? Lambert is tactically inept and unable to teach, improve or organise a team he manages. It's unacceptable IMO.

Should've been sacked after the wigan game. I think the fact that fans have tried to show complete patience and back the team whatever, however this is seriously backfiring now as time is running out. I honestly think a more tactically clever manager would have had us more organised than this prat. He needs to go asap!

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