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Firstly I don't think anyone has debunked criticisms based on stats, not even you. I believe the majority of fan's have an opinion based on what they have seen and not read and I doubt very much many have even given the stats a second thought. Secondly when you try to back up your comments with stats that show Bannan has made more tackles than Xavi and clearances etc?! That mate is strange enough which ever way you look at it, even if you then say, "I'm not saying he's better than Xavi though"? What was the point of raising the point? Thirdly saying your opinions are supported by Lambert and a reporter from the Guardian is hardly worth shouting about. The central midfield and defence is where all our problems are at the moment the gaps in the middle in the last 20mins last night were a disgrace. This isn't an I hate Con rant either.

These errors occurring constantly. Any updates on the problem its becoming a nause?

Typical attitude yourself. DB was arguably the most prolific scorer in the premiership until last season. Firstly Mcleish cuts his supply or should I say doesn't replace his supply instead throwing 10m at another player(Zog) who he then decides not to play. Now Lambert comes along and says not only am I dropping our biggest player asset in Bent but then says I'm going to treat you like a clearing in the woods in the process. As I stated in another post. It is no coincidence that Bent, Zog, Ireland and a number of other players have been shit the last couple of years. It's not rocket science as to why, it's just a simple answer. The management is shit! Good managers get the very best out of even average players yet the last 2 managers haven't. Typical attitude yourself. DB was arguably the most prolific scorer in the premiership until last season. Firstly Mcleish cuts his supply or should I say doesn't replace his supply instead throwing 10m at another player(Zog) who he then decides not to play. Now Lambert comes along and says not only am I dropping our biggest player asset in Bent but then says I'm going to treat you like a clearing in the woods in the process. As I stated in another post. It is no coincidence that Bent, Zog, Ireland and a number of other players have been shit the last couple of years. It's not rocket science as to why, it's just a simple answer. The management is shit! Good managers get the very best out of even average players yet the last 2 managers haven't.

Also the Bradford average age was approximately 21 years old. So much for our Kid's eh! Also the Bradford average age was approximately 21 years old. So much for our Kid's eh!

My thoughts exactly. Although head down with the ball on one or two occasions tonight, I thought in the second half he was our biggest threat.

It appears you have missed the first half of the season my fellow villan if you don't believe some of the criticism is justified! I think reactions are more of an accumulation of results rather than just the Bradford game.

I agree with many of your points but for me its not just about who he brought in but more who he didn't. He had the full summer and pre season to assess the squad and for me didn't identify the main areas for strengthening instead bringing youth in the hope energy would be enough to ride this season out. He persists with Bannan and Delph in the middle when its plainly obvious to the majority of us that they aren't good enough. He isolated the senior players, not picking them, questioning their quality over players who have for the most part all been shit instead of getting the best from them. Then crying and making excuses about injuries when he wasn't picking them. Tactically clueless we could go on and on and on... The thing for me is if I could see that Villa were organised, the players all knew their positions, their jobs and played with cohesion but lacked quality I would be more than willing to back Lambert further. Yet all I see is a team lacking all I have just mentioned. That's why this situation has now become unacceptable. I don't believe either that Bent, NZog,or Ireland have all of a sudden become shit I think our last 2 managers have **** them up. Good managers get the best out of even average players something our last 2 haven't.

Well this is the question people need to ask? Do we leave things in the hope that someone who has proved completely inept up to now turns things around? or do you act before it's to late and we go down and possibly struggle to come straight back up? I would rather see Cowans and McAndrew running things than Lambert the way things are. Week after week he gives the same shit excuses about "The Kids,the injuries". I truly believe the majority of fans could pick a better starting 11 and formation, such is my confidence in him.

If I'm completely honest I felt very uninspired with the appointment of Lambert. He's had around 20mil to spend and we find ourselves supporting one of the worst Villa teams in decades. he's tactically inept, unable to organise or setup our team to at least avoid being defeated regularly (especially against a league 2 side) , something even mcduff managed. It's absolutely dreadful. Must go now!! And a lot of Villa fans need to buck up instead of continually excepting this shit and believing we will get out of this mess by leaving it in Lamberts incapable hands. Where is the **** pride? Tonights result was nothing short of a disgrace.

He isn't good enough for the Villa centre midfield neither is Delph or KEA. Far to lightweight the three of them are, yet Lambert never thought about getting a decent DM during the summer-poor management in my opinion.

Funny how nobody was moaning about him Saturday. FFS how many chances did Benteke miss or give the ball away? He had the touch of a rapist tonight!

Getting thumped 3-1 by an average league 2 side how embarrassing! I haven't been as ashamed since standing in the away end at Norwich last season listening to a good majority of villa fans singing this clowns name. It's quite astonishing how standards have dropped at this once proud club. **** off Lambert you **** retard!!!

Wiemann!!!!!!!!!!!

Con I'm seriously Concerned about you! Your at it again aarrgghhh..... Sometimes stats just don't paint you the whole picture for many reasons. I understand you feel they are a good way of backing an argument and your right to use them to a degree but you need to watch the games mate instead of quoting half a sentence in a post and using stats to appear intelligent in an opposing statement. I like Ciaran Clark however am not convinced with him at CB for the reason which mikeyp raised and you jumped on. You can say that Clark rushes out of defense to intercept the opposing player before he gets to the back line or you could say he's rushed out of position to carry out a midfielders job and left the back out of shape and allowed opposition players to penetrate the back line and that's happened a lot this season. The only stats you need to read mate is the league table, using player stats when the team is playing shit seems a little pointless as the only person you will convince is yourself.

credit where credit is due. I'm not getting carried away on another day we could've been out of site after 15mins but good fightback and unlucky not to take the 3 points. Need some strength in the team though desperately.

Unbelievable! what a turn up. Soft pen but very appreciated.

Lambert is all at fault for this shower of shit. He choose to get the players in that he has. Picked the formation,tactics and team. His responsibility for making the team worse than under Mcprick. Has to go imo. I cannot ever remember a more embarrassing Villa team.

1-0 already could be 2 or 3.**** disgrace!!!

Bit mad saying that Wainy? Mental and Physical abilities are completely different and you need the right balance of both strengths. If the 90-10% was true I should have been a villa legend because in my head i was a fuking brilliant footballer when I got on the pitch!!

We should see if Mers and McInally fancy a comeback in the famous claret and blue.

Tayls. I understand your point about stability if that's what your driving at but consistency? Say for instance if Lambert continues to be consistently shit for the remainder of the season and does what McTwit didn't do and take us down. Do you honestly think he should be allowed to continue in the job? I differ if that is the case. Villa is still a top club and any manager that cannot keep us in the top flight doesn't deserve the job.

Listen mate I didn't say I wasn't interested in stats full stop did I, just his? I'm interested in the team playing shit, why and the remedy. we could sit here all night debating this stat that stat, whether or not this player moved in to the right space, was his first touch shit, whether or not the manager is completely responsible or partially for the decision making of the player or even if when he's on the pitch the other players play better because he drags players out of position or gives the other players a hard on with his influence. The bottom line is Villa this season are without any doubt shit. Non existent in the central midfield including Bannan even when playing 3 therefore the central midfielders need dropping and replacing. If you honestly believe that Bannan is carrying out Lambert's decisions whilst in play then one of two thing's need to happen. Either Bannan needs replacing because he can't carry out instructions or Lambert needs to get sacked through poor decision making giving Bannan a role he's shit in. Or should we just leave things as they are because we are all overreacting and everything will sort itself out?! You keep looking at your stats.

I think your also missing the point I made. I didn't compare him with anyone especially not Lampard or Diame so what you on about? what I did state was that Walcott and Lennon had in fact different strengths and that comparisons were a non starter. And as for his passing what I did say was that when he played it simple he played well. I'm not interested in his pass stats. They miss vital ingredients when assessing a performance . The areas the ball was played into, whether or not the passes were played into space,traffic or whether or not the player receiving the ball in fact lost it after completion because the pass put them under needless pressure, and was there a better option? And in my opinion watching nearly every game this season there have been many occasions when he has given the ball away through trying to play the long ball. Whether the pass reaches or not is irrelevant. All players are given instructions as to the areas they are to pass the ball into however to suggest that bannan is possibly not responsible for his own decision making during the game doesn't suggest you have a strong understanding of the game either...IMO.

Its the long ball's bit that has got me there mate. I agree in that when he does the simple stuff he does it well but don't give me the crap about being able to play a long ball. One thing about bannan is it's something he can't do. I've watched him so much this season trying to play 40,50 yard diagonal balls when there was an easier pass only to give it away and put us under pressure. And he doesn't have the pace,strength or balance of walcott or lennon for that matter. They both had much more in their respective lockers at 23 than bannan so thats a non starter..

My first eleven would be. Guzan Lowton Vlaar Baker Clark Gabby Ireland Holman NZog Bent Benteke It may be an attack minded line up but presently playing too deep is killing us especially with no real pace on the pitch to counter. I would use holman to screen the back four as I feel he is currently the only CM able to physically battle in the middle. I think Clark is our best option left back at the moment as bennett is to lightweight and gives the ball away in poor areas also clark has more strength and previous experience in this position and being a natural left footer still offers balance and isn't bad going forward. Lichaj as we know is no natural left back but good cover for lowton. As for playing gabby right mid and zog left, well I wouldn't want them to keep cutting on to their stronger feet in narrowing our play as this is already one of the reasons we are in the shit. Both would get good cover in Lowton and clark to be able to use their pace to get forward at every opportunity providing support for 2 forwards instead of one. We need to let the opposition worry about us not us worry about them. My view!