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I've never understood the weirdo's who say "I eat meat but I don't believe animal's should be tested on etc..." then why are you eating meat you dumbass?! I thought harming animals were so bad, hence your argument will sound stupid when you say I eat meat... which is essentially in your eyes the highest form of cruelty because the animal has died. It's such a massive contradiction it's actually quite hilarious.

Yeah, I read the thread "First eleven - Blues vs Villa" - 6 Blues players are in it, I'm sorry but that is deranged, infact I can confirm it is deranged because they seem to think both Ferguson and Bowyer would get in the team ahead of Milner. Oh dear, time to get a reality check small heathens. Man-for-man we are better than them but I give them credit, as a team they work well.

Krispy Kremes, Friji chocolate fudge brownie milkshakes and Burger King double cheesbugers are my food sins.

lol, typical shite spuds, got beat by a Liverpool team which didn't include Torres and Gerrard.

lmao, just checked out sha... I've counted 20 threads which have been dedicated towards us over the course of last night's match and today. Hilarious to see all the Noses little hearts crushed after we came back from 2-0 down. The Most Hilarious Quote of The Year goes to... "They're actually shite but they keep getting away with it" - how ironic haha. Another thing I saw on that hilarious forum was some Nose saying Milner was 'average' and that he would rather take either McGeady or Babel over Milner and saying Gabby is shit and that he's no better than Jerome. **** deluded pathetic small time heathens.

****... what a game. I was in K1 Upper Holte last night, atmosphere incredible... chanting and singing no-stop. Me and my father were in disbelief after we went 2-0 down... shocked, angry etc... Excellent comeback though (2-0 and you **** it up!) and it seems strange because we battered them second half but yet they still managed to get another 2 goals with 10-men. Milner was incredible as always last night... Heskey scored lmao and Ash played his best game this season. Wembley here we come!

I know this is directed at Snowy (and worse, off topic ), but I'd answer these as well, not to steal Snowy's thunder mind. The family member thing is a non entity - it isn't about what the victims feel, it's about what the third party, justice and the law, feels. The law is impartial, a victim is not. For me, the circumstances never matter - the death sentence is wrong. I've always said that, even on a blood thirsty level, surely a life with your freedom taken from you, knowing that for much of your remaining life, it not all of it, is now to be ruled by bars and walls and lonelyness, is a worse punishment than knowing that quickly and painlessly your life will end. Yeah, I can totally relate to your last paragraph. I've always thought having to spend 20+ years inside prision would be a bit like being in hell - torture and you then see prisioners trying to commit suicide inside prision because of how bad being locked up inside prision is. It's a punishment that in reality is horrible and some people don't often realise how shit it must be so the death penalty may not always at tfirst seem the correct and fitting punishment. As for war criminals commiting genocide I think I'm still a bit indifferent on that but I think I'll leave that for another thread for another time perhaps.

You obviously are relatively new to these types of threads. :winkold: I am absolutely against the death penalty (many of the reasons for which I, and others, have already (indirectly)detailed in this thread). Fair enough and I've understood what you've said about testing on humans etc... Not trying to shape things here, but would you feel any different to the death penalty if a dear member of your family was murdered by someone? What about war criminals committing genocide? Do the circumstances matter to you or is it just a straight NO to the death penalty altogether?

Far too simplimistic a take. I disagree with people all the time. What made me use that term for the esteemed starsailor9774 is that his views are so vile, so unflinchingly disgusting to me, so indefensible, that I refuse to respect them nor waste pleasantries on them, and by implication the person that holds them. I stand by the use of the term. That would not be the case for pretty much any other stadnpoint. Is that because he supports the BNP or saying he doesn't value some lives as equal? Quite harsh because one or two others have said testing on humans (horrible criminals committing evil crimes) should be an option like sailor has said.

Yeah, me neither, pretty shocked.

Chindie; so....................................... just you don't agree with someone that makes them scum? You sound cool. Anyways, I do agree with snowy saying (I think snowster said it?) that it'd be reacting in an animal-type-like-way if we were to test (by force) on another human-being whatever the circumstances. Yeah you can look at every angle and alternative but politcially an animal's life is always going to be put on the line before another human's doesn't matter what sort of crime is committed by the human in question. Snowy; what do you make of the death penalty - an eye for an eye? Killing a human compared to testing a human - which is more fitting and moral?

Collins out, Luke Young in and then put Cuellar back at CB and L.Young back at RB. Blackburn only really have 2 gameplans against us on Wednesday and that's either to come out and attack taking the game to us or try and play counter-attacking football again which didn't work for them. Foolishly I think they'll pack the midfield and try and play counter-attacking football which already sends out a vibe that they're mentally weak because what they'll try and do is try and keep it goaless until the last 10 minutes where they will try and snatch a goal but either way, whatever gameplan they choose we still need to score to really put the tie to bed. I'm really looking foward to this, I'll be there in K1 and I think we'll be seeing a much better performance than the one yesterday which hopefully books our place at Wembley!

Can I just add, after reflection after yesterday's game how pleased I am we have Stewart Downing. His passing was fantastic yesterday spraying it short-range long- range - you name it, brilliant. He was our only player who gave us that bit of creativity in midfield and genuinely looked like he could of split West Ham's defence apart and was very close to doing so on a couple of occasions. I think he's a great player and his movement in from the left-wing swifting into the middle with grace then going on run that will scare any defence is the creativity we've needed. He stood out for me yesterday then followed by Dunne (always great), A.Young and Warnock.

Every animal is unique to eachother. Are we really better? Look around you. How many animals torture eachother for days and weeks just for a bit of power/information? How many animals destroy the world around us as much as we do? If anything we are worse than animals, because we have taken our power and abused it to the point of no return. Yes, animals are a food source. But i'm afraid your deluded faith in your religion has made you believe that the world was created for man, but infact that very religion teaches the opposite and you of all people should know and respect that. Thats fair enough. I do value peoples lives but I believe some (murderers, rapists) should be valued differently. Now the question is who am i to put value on these lives? I'm nobody, it's just an opinion. If you knew how that fur was obtained i have no doubt your opinion would differ. *Yawns* had to bring religion into it. You've been part of that faith so I don't know why you think you can call the shots so that's make you deluded. Anyways, what do you think of fur, animal skin etc... used for clothing when it's needed? What about cavemen, it was a main source for their clothing and had to use it to survive. Fair enough if you're against for people using it for fashion, but at the end of the day, if you've got the money to buy fur coates and python skin handbags I don't see what's the problem, you should be blaming Gucci and Prada. There's a fine line, but the bottom line is humans are ahead of animals in the pecking order. kurtsimon said human's killing each other is animalistic and it shouldn't be tolerated therefore they should be treated like animals. That is a very interesting and valid point, but unfortunately circumstances alter this because even the rules for that would be too complexed for it's own set of rules!

But knowing that realistically this isn't ever going to happen, would you condone it then? And also if it wasn't you who voted for not under any circumstances, I'd be interested to hear from who it was to explain why. It's not a witch-hunt, and I'm not going to slate your beliefs. But I wonder if you've ever had someone close to you who's had a serious illness that could potentially be saved by research done on animals. I'd admire your morals in a way if you did, but would find it hard to understand how you would rather watch a loved one die than test on animals to potentially save them. Yeah it was me that voted not under any circumstances. I don't believe that humans are any better than the animals around us, what makes us so deserving of life and them not? We are smarter and evolved far more, no doubt. But I am not questioning that. I just don't believe we are any better and are more deserving of life than any other animal on this planet. I'd rather test on other humans. And even if a family member was close to death (which is a situation my family has been in) and there is no cure at that time, I still wouldn't condone it. But i understand my view is in the minority, and as such i have accepted animal testing as a way of life. Do i support it? No. You might be a animal right activist, but in reality, humans are better than all animals - we're so unique to animals. Hate to say to it, I'm not particulary bothered what animal right activists say, but the fact is, animals aren't just here to roam around grassy fields looking pretty etc... the main priority for us are to eat them, it's our biggest source of food probably. As for testing... yeah, don't see why they shouldn't be tested on. You obviously don't understand the value and how precious a human's life is to say "test it on prisioners etc...". For medicines and drugs, of course, it can potentially help sick people etc... For cosmetics, a bit indifferent on that maybe considering all the fur coats and python skin handbags my mom has. She likes them so that sits fine with me I suppose.

Just got back. Quite evident we need a striker... if we don't get one we can say goodbye to finishing fourth, I can't believe Gabby **** up that one-one-one in the last minute, someone like Van Nistelrooy or Robbie Keane would have scored... that's why we NEED to buy either Van Nistelrooy or Keane. Not good enough and once again we waste the oppotunity to take advantage of results that went our way this weekend - typical. Don't know the name of the referee today but he was a **** rocket polisher... must have been a west ham fan.

Yeah... just to echo, our support was incredible last night and it's easily the best support we've had for an away game this season. There wasn't a 5-minute period where we didn't sing and when we sung it was VERY loud... it was so loud you could of mistaken us for the home team haha. Blackburn's support was just pathetic... 14,000 lol. I nearly fell off my chair when Martin Tyler said before the match kicked off "this is a big match tonight for blackburn and the blackburn fans who will raise the roof off ewood park". So yeah, kudos to all our fans last night... excellent chanting and singing, hopefully the atmosphere can be like that for the 2nd leg which I'll be at!

This is going to be a difficult game... West Ham have been similar to Pompey; playing well but not getting the results and have been playing well recently so a win is vital on Sunday so we don't lose any ground on citeh and spuds hopefully being able to push further ahead of liverpool too.

That's a great bit of 'ITK' from Glaston haha.

Excellent... this puts us in the driving seat going into the 2nd leg and it's for us to lose now. Annoyed how we reverted back to hoofball for a period in the 2nd half, but like I said earlier today, I knew Blackburn's negative tactics would work against them and we outclassed them... we also should have scored a couple more which is disappointing but the main thing is we've got the lead going into the 2nd leg and I'm quite confident now we're going to WEMBLEY (as long as we don't **** up!). P.S. Ashley Young was great tonight... best performance for him this season. Milner was great as ever... but Heskey was shit as ever.

Have you seen the breaking news on Sky Sports News? Twitch charged with 2 counts of cheating public revenue. Hopefully the twitch-faced word removed goes to prision now.

Priya Rai She's a bit of a noisy one though.

You should purchase a treadmill mj... when you can't run in this slippy and snowy weather they're really good to have. I personally prefer running outside, but I don't want to be breaking my arms or legs running in this weather so I bought myself a treadmill and have been using it whilst I can't run outside.

It's so predictable how Blackburn are going to play tonight... counter-attacking football and they'll try and demostrate a snatch and grab if they score... this makes me think we should just play 4-4-2 now and just outclass them; we don't want to be getting into a battle of not scoring.

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