CarewsEyebrowDesigner

Yeah that's nothing to do with his torn hamstring at all.

I've manage to find Fringe on the webs, I'll have to give it a go. I grew up on X Files and miss it oh so much, hopefully this is close to the freakiness of it.

Boriello has come on leaps and bounds this yeer, but he could be having a Zamora. Pato isn't a headless chicken. At all. Daft opinion. They don't need Adebeyor because they have enough up front, and have to adress their grave dodging midfield and defence.

Milan don't need him.

nah he's a big time charlie. he'd score a bucket load here, but he's just Carew with funkier hair and spindlier legs.

Man up

Good choice. I shall not fornicate until i escape the island.

Citeh are just boring me now. Wish they just withered up and died in a corner somewhere.

watched this, very good. raises some interesting points which will no doubt be argued over on here some time

I think the players are there but the system isn't. That can be worked on though. Best to judge after the summer is all i'm trying to say.

Oh no Brumerican, prepare yourself for a dissertation involving various contradicting quotes opposing your view that those religions are anti-women. I think anti-women is the wrong term though, they still like the taste of the ladyfolk. But it's the old patriarchal ways of women being less than a man. When in fact the opposite is true, a woman is worth more than a man. But men are full of greed, of jealousy and of instabilty. They need women to submit to them because they need to feed their inner desire to be more than they actually are. They can't handle when a woman decides upon another man or decides to live her own life, but instead of reasoning and letting it go, they kill. If they don't submit to them then they don't submit to anyone. Religion just gave them a ''justifiable'' reason to enslave women for thousands of years, no one can argue against that. And if they did they are foolish, or blind. So aye, anti-women is probably the wrong term. They wanted power and this was (and still is) their means to attain it.

I've told you before that you build a team from the back. Would i be correct in assuming that our midfield-defence are a good enough standard, maybe with the exception of replacing Petrov? Our biggest problem is up front, and this is (usually) the last piece of the puzzle managers deal with when building a team. If he doesn't sort it out this summer then you will have a point, but until then i'm sure this is his priority and when it comes to priority signings MON gets it right.

Summer is good for football. Until you get chased by fairies lobbin' acorns.

I'm watching Leaving Las Vegas at the minute, forgot how brilliant it was.

****' creationists need lined up and shot.

Nothing, I just keep forgetting that it is Wednesday. I'm gonnae make some pasta

bring back the round badge

I hate days in which you just don't wake up. No idea how it's past 7pm and keep forgetting it's wednesday.

No

Wonder how much sky got paid for that.

If you believe that I see muslim women as less than human then you are beyond reasoning, and in fact I believe you are blinded by your own 'libertarian' views, both of you, to realise the problem. I don't give a **** about Britain, or France or even **** Belgium, they can sort their own houses out. If they want to ban it then so be **** it. At least it makes a point. Does it fall on deaf ears? Probably. Yeah it probably **** does. But as long as it helps one woman realise that she doesn't have to be a slave then it's done some good. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you. My issue is not 'is it right or wrong to wear a **** veil' and it's sad that you can't look beyond your own prejudices agaisnt whatever the **** it is, and see that it is not what I'm getting at. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of women (who are not in the majority, as i have said repeatedly but you seem to fail to pick up on that) outside the comfort zone of our own society. And we can do **** all to help them. Maybe, a few hundred years in the future there will be a real change within those societies. I hope the **** there is. But that's too late for the hundreds of women that will be murdered in cold blood, in the name of nothing but pride and jealousy. Enjoy arguing over the morality of wearing a **** veil, but it really makes no difference to the people that **** matter.

It gives the women hope.

I think you are both misunderstanding me and misunderestimating this issue. These men, on the whole, are the minority of Muslims. Thus they are and I have referred to them as sects. This survey is old (2005) but it highlights the situation. This survey doesn't adress the question of clothing, granted, but it sheds a light on the scale of the situation regarding womens opression in one country. We don't know the full extent of honour killings, because the authorities lie about it. But trust me, it is a far greater problem than you or I could fathom. Also, Levi i never suggested this is a question about Islam and I've never attempted to paint all Muslims with the same brush. Of course these men won't stop becoming fanatics and attacking the west simply because we ban these garments. Terrorism will be around long after you or I. I'm highlighting this issue specifically because it's come up in the news. I'd have the exact same stand point when it comes to opression of any one in any religon or society. They need to know where the line is drawn. And Chindie, you are wrong. A full veil just isn't a 'step on' from conservative dressing worn by moderate muslims. These garments are attatched to a small, but significant, number of sects within Islam. I don't find anything wrong with women interpreting their faith as they see fit, but these sects don't allow the women a chance to interpret their faith. If I ever come across a woman within these sects who has no influence, either from her family or her husband, and chooses to dress this way because she genuinely wants to, then I'll change my mind. I may be stubborn but I'm not a fool. But as I said, I have my reservations. This issue goes deeper than whether or not it's ''right'' to allow people to wear these garments, and I think we all know it. Politically, I'm sure it's going along the same lines I've argued. It's less about allowing people to wear them, but more about sending a message. It's also not a similar scenario to an abusive husband. Not at all. When family and religion gives a man a pedastal from which he can claim ownership over a woman, it takes on a whole new level. She can seek help, but like many women who try and leave that life behind they eventually get killed. There was a documentary on C4 a long time ago, which went into detail about this (actually, I think it was based around the survey above...that was some time ago) and how the west misunderstimates the situation. There is a huge gulf between a moderate and conservative muslim, and a muslim belonging to these sects. It would be akin to a Catholic woman dressing conservatively because her faith says so, and a woman raped and beaten within small, isolated Christian cults. They are small in number, but they are there. And they need to know the line.

These sects of Islam are dangerously fanatical and blinded by faith. I'm afraid educaion and a helping hand do no good in a world where a man would stone a woman to death for leaving her home. As much as I'd love to walk up to one of these women and take their hand and show them a different lifestyle, it just doesn't work like that. To change it would require a constitutional change in their faith. It just wouldn't happen. Unless you literally take these women from their homes and educate them. Then in which case are we really better than them? The children need to be educated in all walks of life, not just the one we'd like them to learn, and not just the one that is forced upon them by their religion. But again, that will never happen with these sects we are talking about. I don't fully understand why these men do what they do. But I know they must be sent a message. As for the British comment, if a woman fully understands the world around her and can make an informed decision without any external influence to wear these garments, then I can only say good luck to them. I just don't believe these women exist, not yet anyway.

If they don't want to treat their women as equals then they can take their Burka and go back to the societies which accept such medieval nonsense. Banning it outright probably isn't the best option, but it's really just a way of letting them know the rules of living in western society. Educating and freeing the women of Islam is the ideal way, but really can you see that ever happening within our lifetime, or even in a hundred years? This is a religion (well, isolated sects) that has spent thousands of years enhancing their own patriarchal ways. **** knows why they feel the need to rape and kill women for falling in love with the 'wrong' man, but they do. If this ban even makes one woman sit up and feel as if there is a chance she can be free from her shackles then it's done some good.