Czarnikjak

Yes, profit on player sales is calculated by taking the average of last 3 seasons ( just for the squad cost control mind). I assume it's to make it less variable and more predictable for teams.

Thanks, great work. For uefa squad cost calculation, i take you have used last 3 year average for profit on player sales? So that would include the Grealish summer, last Summer and whoever we manage to sell for profit this summer. Also, to get salaries of non football staff, you could look in companies houses at accounts of Aston Villa Ltd (or however this company is now called)...im pretty sure last time I checked it looked as if it had only those employees listed in its accounts. Playing staff are only included in NSWE accounts

Wesley's highlights reel was equally impressive.

Promising young Brazilian international we payed £22m for.

Striker situation? Don't forget we still have Wesley on the books. 5 strikers all in.

If you hear anyone mentioning "net spend" in relation to FFP, you can safely disregard everything they say. Basically they have no clue how football accounting works.

Too late now. Accounts for that period were already audited and submitted

Yes, your calculations are generally correct...you might got some of the elapsed contracts lengths incorrectly...ie Sanson will be only 2.5 years this summer I think. Not 3 years. But that doesn't make huge amount of diffenrce.

Yes, this checks out with my estimations. Basically we rely on continuous profit on player sales to stay complaint (once grealish impact expires from calculations). That profit must average at around £30-40m a season.

Would need to estimate it to be sure. Based on latest published accounts for last season, add potential increase in Revenue, take away £100m from JG sale, add any profit on player sales this season (mainly Chuck) and adjust wages/amortisation changes. Anyone up to the task? Back of a napkin calculation tells me we gonna be worse off, but still well within limits.

Newcastle have entered FFP elevator while we are left stuck outside with the rest of the peasants. Soon we will have financial big 7 not big 6 in Premier League.

It's called "related parties sponsorship" and it's also part of Premier League rules. So legally you're not allowed to over inflate your sponsorship deals. Regarding morality of it, it's not mentioned in the rules so better forget about it.

Yeah, but that £100m Spurs get is mostly Corporate London boxes...So still not fans, I think the original poster point still stands.

Accounts analysed by Swiss ramble with detailed breakdown of our ffp situation https://swissramble.substack.com/p/aston-villa-finances-202122

It doesn't dilute existing share holders what they did.

No, as it’s not 70% yet, uefa is slowly phasing it in, starting from 90%…I’m not even sure if the new regs apply already. also your graph only shows “revenue”. I’m pretty sure uefa also allows you to add your profit on player sales into equation . Especially Chelsea, rakes in millions on their academy cast offs.

It is worse than you think. This graph you show there only looks at wages. Uefa cost controls include "squad cost" ie wages plus amortisation

Where is the £203m gone? Are you anywhere near figuring it out for last season?

They did. Their sleeve sponsor is PIF linked noon.com. They're paying them £7.5m per year, while a going rate for club like ours is £2m. Not sure who approved it, but it went through

Which points exactly don't you agree? And what are your counter arguments? Actually, I need to correct myself a bit. That £87m loss doesn't include costs excluded from FFP calculations (youth development etc). They would add up to about £20m perhaps? Therefore for compliance purposes, we only need to generate £30m profit from player sales (averaged over 3 years) every season. Not quite as bad, but I think my general point stands...ffp sucks and shackles us.

....and its not pretty to put it mildly. Excluding exceptional items (Grealish money and £10m payment to Randy Lerner) we have made a loss of £87m. Our low revenue (~£180m ish) is killing us...essentially we are forced to compete (in wages and transfer fees) with teams generating well over £400m...its just impossible to do that and stay compliant with FFP. And it wont change in any significant way until the stadium expansion is complete What it means, from FFP perspective, is that just to stay compliant with the regulations we have to make ~£50m profit from player sales EVERY single season (Emi Martinez this summer?).

Still processing....but just looked at the filing history and our owners quietly injected another £100m of their own cash into the club this season alone... I can't believe some people still moan that we don't spend enough.

It's certainly true for Ings, most likely for Bailey, but not for Buendia. We had ffp headroom at that point to sign him.

The wording of the article would certainly suggest that they talking about £203m cash outflow, which includes addons and installments from previous transfers as well. That puts into perspective claims of some "net spend experts" that we didn't spend more cash than we got for grealish...looks like we forked out another £100m last season. There's no word about amortisation, but this line looks very encouraging "Wages costs stayed stable at £137m" Now, I'm hoping that this 400k profit doesn't include £100m we got for grealish if it does....than its not pretty, and our operating loss was £100m but seeing we only turned over £178.4m i see it highly unlikely we made a profit on such a low turnover without inclusion of player sales into equation...

It's in appendix 5 of the handbook Youth development expenditure Women’s footbal expenditure Community development expenditure