paul514

no where and there is zero chance that is true. Diaby is an amazing player and he will show it with us

I think the new guys in charge are going to make a break with what they have done over the last decade, the Utd of the last few years might have

Perhaps but he does have a unique skillset, has been here some time, is the captain and is currently playing in place of Kamara because we have no one else who can that isn't a youth player. I also doubt someone would want to pay 50m for someone who is 30 a couple of months later.

sounds painful....... what you are crossing that is

That is minimum 6th sown up for me now. Got to push on in the next two games to hopefully sow up 5th and then take it game by game.

Just to say, the whole conversation is mute if we couldn’t sell a player for 80 plus, that much is obvious

We should bloody get a couple of extra places regardless, there is so many joke clubs in the CL

The point of the posts on this over the last day is largely how to use the FFP room that the sale would bring.

He is using the figures from what I posted last night.

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I made a post on the transfer thread last night about who I would sign and sell but put a full FFP breakdown on it if anyone wants to understand the situation a bit better

Someone will take a chance on him before too long so I think you will get to see if you are right or not at some point. like I mentioned if we want to spend like I set out then it’s Watkins or Luis for those massive figures. He will never be as valuable as he is right now and be worth sod all in 4 years time. i would even if David isn’t as good the uplift in the teams performance from the other 4 positions over a season would be better than the same players we have now. also it’s fairly likely we will drop off anyway going by other teams who have broken in the past, like Newcastle this year. i respect your opinion on it though just as long as that opinion comes with the understanding not much can come in of real quality without doing it

I would have picked veermeran but he just got sold for 17m which is a serious bargain

Personally I think the only one we don't get the book value for is Coutinho. I can see Dendonker being sold for 10, Digne and Carlos 15. The age profile of a squad is key though if you want to play the FFP game and recycling money on fresh younger players. I knew Watkins would be the one on my list that no one wants to sell but in the scenario laid out it is either him or Luis. IMO Luis would be harder to replace, he is younger and getting a midfielder to fit is harder IMO

Watkins is no gamble and David is because he doesn't play in England already. Check out David's data it is very impressive.

They have that Mazzroui (spelt wrong too)

Wages and fee wouldn't be a problem but you are right on the competition, everyone knows about that release clause and I would expect one or two of the 10 biggest clubs in the world to want him.

He has been playing this super attacking role for only 18 months

I do have a bias to admit. i am one of those people who want to sort everything else before the forwards as I believe that if you control everything behind them and create a lot then whoever plays up front will score. We wouldn’t get enough money from selling just one of those two players as you need to leave loads of FFP room for the season after when they amortise again. Davids data was excellent he just isn’t taking enough shots which is probably his clubs fault, take a look at the fbref link and it becomes obvious. I could be persuaded otherwise on the RB and DCM, the other three would be nailed on. Geertruida, would be my second pick for RB. https://fbref.com/en/players/242e1043/scout/365_m2/Lutsharel-Geertruida-Scouting-Report my trouble with a DCM was that I didn’t just want a ball winner, I wanted someone who can pass and come out of tight positions like Kamara can

Why would you expect his defensive data to be the same as Cash when he isn't playing the same role? Regardless, I have watched him for years, he is a right back

Ok this will be a long post but I will try and break it up a bit so it is more readable.... These are the players I would sell/release in the summer all figures are in euros and from Transfermarkt. The amortized value is what he costs us per year on the accounts and the book value is the total amount of amortization left until he he has a value of zero for FFP. This means for an FFP profit on a player he must be sold for more than his book value. I also think it is worth mentioning how these values are worked out.... lets say we sign a player on a 5 year contract for 50m. After 3 years we sign him to a new 5 year contract this means for the first 3 years he is with us he amortizes at 10m per year making his book value 20m when he signs a 5 year extension to his contract. He will then amortize at 4m per year for the next five years. I hope that is simple to understand. Lenglet - End of loan Zaniolo - End of loan Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m. He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m The total amortization per year of all the players mentioned is 31.41m Euros which is 26.9m Pounds The total book value of all the players mentioned is 65.9m Euros which is 56.4m Pounds My aim would be to cut the fat off the squad and then trying to bring in a smaller amount higher quality players as a whole without breaking FFP restrictions and (Hopefully) reducing the wage bill as PSR (profit and sustainability rules) is changing meaning we have to bring our wage bill down to 70% of our revenue within a couple of years. The price tags for my suggestions are from media reported figures or their release figure. The links are for their transfermarkt profile and their scouting report from FBREF for their data. Jean-Clair Todibo, 24 - Centre back, Nice, 35m I want this player as he is a lot like Pau Torres and we have all seen how much we missed him whilst he was injured taking the ball out of defence and his skill with progressive passes. He will be genuine competition for Konsa and will probably win out in that race. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-clair-todibo/profil/spieler/605184 https://fbref.com/en/players/88f130ed/scout/365_m1/Jean-Clair-Todibo-Scouting-Report Adrien Truffert, 22 - Left back, Rennes, 20m I think this guy is already as good as what we already have but he has a high ceiling and time on his side to reach that potential. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adrien-truffert/profil/spieler/654539 https://fbref.com/en/players/5d0e0a1f/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Truffert-Scouting-Report Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause) Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jeremie-frimpong/profil/spieler/484547 https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/scout/365_m1/Jeremie-Frimpong-Scouting-Report Martin Zubimendi, 25, - DCM, Sociedad, 52m (Release Clause) I could be persuaded to sign a different DCM as this one will be hard to sign and expensive. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-zubimendi/profil/spieler/423440 https://fbref.com/en/players/3ee0dd59/Martin-Zubimendi Jonathan David, 24 - Striker, Lille, 40m As you all know the striker market is difficult, but this is where most of the FFP profit comes from in my suggestions. I picked him as he should be relatively straight forward for us to pick up, he plays somewhat similarly to Watkins but he is not a carbon copy. His record last year was excellent and his data for this year is very good. If he had more shooting opportunities then his numbers would be much higher. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738 https://fbref.com/en/players/ce50fd99/scout/365_m1/Jonathan-David-Scouting-Report So according to the figures I have used for purchasing these players that is 185m Pounds. I can't know if we could get them to sign a 5 year or 4 year contract so I am going to list both and it would probably be somewhere in between. So the 185m amortized over 5 years would be 37m per year or over 4 years it would be 46.25m As the suggested sales/released are amortizing at 26.9m Pounds my suggestions increase amortization by 19.35m per year over what it is currently (assuming the worst case scenario of 4 year contracts for everyone) but I think if we sold all those players whose book value currently is 56.4m we would receive something like 150m with Watkins and Cash bringing in the bulk of that money. This would mean a 93.6m FFP profit on their book value allowing us to make these purchases as long as the owners inject the remaining cash (35m) into the club. I think those players would effectively lock off all the defensive positions, all the central midfield positions, as far as I am concerned the forward positions, leaving small question marks over our wide midfield positions (the Ramsey/McGinn roles but Tielemans can play there as can Buendia) and our striker position (will David work out? Is Duran a good back up?). That could be reassessed in the following summer. It also brings down the age of the squad significantly whilst having better prospects of resale value in the future over the current players. How much higher could Watkins value be in the future given he would be 29 the summer after soon to turn 30 for example. This is how we get to spend lots on players Even if you don't agree with some or all of my suggestions, I hope you can see the value of a post like this that explains a bit what clubs are having to deal with when it comes to spending with FFP and PSR rules.

I haven't I said I would and post a full FFP explanation, I got two reacts both laughing so I didn't bother. I am bored so I will type it out now

according to transfermarkt you are correct.

He’s a centre back isn’t he? we need a fifth choice

That’s just crazy