Grasshopper

......add the possibility of Grealish scoring, O‘Hare (if given the chance to play) Chester, Terry & Jedi from set pieces What more could we ask for 10 players who can all at keast chip in Plus If Davis, Hogan and kebaGaby (v SHA) can also chip in Kodjia returning (anyone have a date?)

Spot on

You argueing for sake, so I‘ll take you on 1 - was he promised something different? No WH chickened out it was us or staying at Brentford Ryan Giggs - one of the very few home grown World class players the PL has witnessed Hogan WAS a CH player scoring goals in the Ch. what a ridiculous compareson describing Ryan Giggs as decent is quite unbelievable I‘m not That is not true, we have had fit forwards for every game and I dont have to because its irrelevant see below It is our MFers who HAVE been scoring Hourihane was played in his prefered position ONCE - he scored a hattrick Onomah Adomah Snod and Lansbury have all done a „Kodjia“ Surely ANYONE with even only half a brain cell can see that the TEAM PLAY should be setup/adjusted/adapted to that way so to take advantage of that. But NO you insist on defending someone whose responsiblility is to do exactly that

I agree Maybe because the things that some fans are most concerned about are directly his responsibilty the US being the way we play which is down to......? The defending of someone who is failing to reach the desired target is your obsession Who is the first man out the door when thinks go south? Are you suggesting it should be different at AVFC?

a la - Buying Elmo for Adomahs position -> loaning Snod for Elmo

Yes No - my long standing opinion Our players ARE good enough to play better and more effective than they do. The coaches and manager are not getting the best out of them. your perogative

You have missunderstood. Those signings had varying levels of success/failure. The point is Signing a player then playing him in a different way to how they are used to/function better. THEN expecting them to adapt regardless of their physical stature being suited or not to that way

Tro I wrote a bog-standard one instead of a shit one should be able to get something more out of who we have

All you are highlighting there is that if a player you have doesnt suit your style - you hook him which is what Klopp did What Bruce did was to buy a player who didnt suit his style and played him in the hope that he would/could adapt. in this case , the logical conclusion would be to hook the manager

In your effort to defend yourself you have stated the obvious flaw in your explanation a „not even super coach“ a bog-standard one instead of a shit one should be able to get something more out of who we have

thats irrelevant to the the point he is making

that is irrelevant you are misdirecting away from the point

spot on

thanx I was an apprentice accountant after leaving school - the most mundane 6 months of my life - not for me

My squad list would be GK - SJ JS Sarkic Sell/give away Bunn = Fee/save wages RB - Bree RDL Sell/give away Hutton = Fee/save wages LB - NT Loan in LB CB - JC JT Buy/Loan in CB Sell/give away/pay someone Richards out the door -> wages saved = fee to willing club (come on Sunderland, you know you want to) Sell/give away Elphick Samba = Fee/save wages DM Jedi Buy/Loan in DM Sell if possible Whelan = Fee/save wages RW Snod Elmo LW Adomah Green CM Hourihane Lansbury Onomah AM Grealish O‘Hare McC ** Note - Keep McC = Sell Bruce (if possible) CF - Kodjia (when he returns) Davis Hogan Buy/Loan in CF Sell/Give away ** Note - Keep Hogan = Sell Bruce (if possible Gollini and other loanee (outs) push a sale I don‘t know how much cash we have left to play with. Maybe the Dr can „Create“ a sponsorship deal that allows us a shot at getting in a CF (top priority) a CB (2nd priority) and if we can go the whole hog, a DM „destroy & distribute“ and LB

@mrjc Could this be a reason for not selling McC for less than Outlay fee - 1 year right off? thus loaning him out meaning possible loan fee and saved wages = reducing outgoings Question - does this amount count as a direct „profit“ or not?

Thanx Could you please dissect my „Buy Benteke - Refurbish the bogs“ post?

Let me explain something. I and many others who critisize Bruce want Villa to win/get promoted. Full stop. We watch the games and are of course happy when we win because its good for AVFC which is what we want. Also what we see in those winning games (draws/losses) which causes us concern is very much the reasons why we think we do lose/draw/drop pts. We see it and comment on it. Therefore it is frustrating to see something that we (in our opinions) think is a problem for us, be the reason why we drop points. We ALL want Villa to win promotion. Those who support/reel of excuses for Bruce can feel free to do so. Those who slate him stating why they do so equally. The simple fact is. Wolves are showing us how to do it. We are staggering through a season. That stagger could result in enough ups to get us 2nd or top 6. The stagger could also mean another up-stagger could coincide with the 3 games of the playoffs. The stagger may also result in an opposite which condems us to a further season down here which may result in a number of further seasons down here. IMHO if course, I think its more than a bit rich to patronise or condescend on someone who is of the opinion that this „flying by the seat of our pants“ is more likely to fail than succeed. ESPECIALLY when everyone to a man who has critisized Bruce for whatever has also stated „I HOPE I‘M WRONG“. Now I dont expect anyone supporting Bruce to hope they are wrong for us to fail just to equalize the admittance balance. But, what is it about the status quo that deems automatically right and the alternative automatically wrong?

Where‘s that article describing his tenure at Sunderland when you need it?

Yeah great Idea we could play them out of position give them jobs/tasks to do that they are not physically built for we could also play them occasionally in their prefered/best position, maybe they could score a hattrick so that we know they were a good buy, then put them 20yrds further back so they were unable to do it again we could just of course use them in the blame game deflecting the fault away from the manager oh man, now that would be hysterical

Rigo (if I can call you that) Nothing would please me more than for us to win our way to promotion out of this league. I‘d say „thanx Brucie“ even if a big part of my heart and soul would think that it would be a combination of our players v the shit this league has to offer. The truth is I havent seen enough from Bruce to believe, even with our players and the shit that is in this league, that we could get promoted.

It seems that Chelski, Citeh, Real and PSG (probably others too) have „creative methods“ to get around ffp by investment through sponsorship. Am I being too far fetched (or off the radar) to think something along the lines of the following example. Say, for instance, Benteke became available. Palace would want a fee to reinvest in other players. Say 15mill fee and Benteke would want 80kpw plus bonuses. (call it 100kpw) 100kpw for the remaining 25 weeks (or so) till 01.06.2018 (would it be our cut off for the last year of the 3 -or is it another date?) We‘re talking an immediate outlay of 15mill spread over 5years = 3mill per year (immortation ?) So if we refurbish the Holte End toilets and call them „The Recon Waste Management facilities“ for an initial outlay of say 20mill ( the true cost for the modern crappers being 5mill) with running/maintenance costs of 101kpw (bog-roll cant be that expensive plus a few flushes of grade C water from Perry Hall park) surely we have not accrued a loss, and, an Income has covered an expenditure. or is it not that simple. Hey, why not have the best bogs in the world. A tourist attraction with the slogan „Shit like a King - Shit at the Villa“

So basically its risk to reward or bust depending on promotion or not.

@TRO Your arguement has no foundation simply on the fact that the games/points we have won have been largely from goals scored by our MFers (Adomah, Hourihane, Onomah, Snod) Our goals scored total by „players other than our designated forwards Kodjia, Davis, Gaby & Hogan“ is dwarfed by the rest of the squad. So, can we deduce from that stat that there is more than 1 section of players able to score. That being a fact would support the arguement that „A team can play so as to score goals from players other than main strikers“ You just have to ser up the team that way. Keeping the „potential“ goal scorers further away from the opponents goal by sitting back & Hoofing to whoever stands isolated on the oppositions last man, be that Davis, Kodjia or Hogan, hoping that „something will happen“ or the ball sticks long enough up top for those potential goalscorers to advance is a poor plan, giving credit to Bruce if he is indeed capable of thinking that far ahead. You can not absolve someone of the blame if that someone is in control of the situation that is failing the objective. to score more than the opponents in each individual game to amass an amount of points to gain promotion.

So you blame the players?