Sam-AVFC

I'm glad they care about the issue, but you're right that it's complete pie in the sky. There used to be a couple of elderly people (brother & sister) in my home town who inherited a house, but over a period of a few decades still preferred to live on the street and fill the house with overflowing carrier bags of whatever they could get their hands on.

I tried that earlier and got called out on it!

I don't think either of those arguments was being made!

The pig closes its mouth?

Same. I've never understood the argument that you can't want better for everyone regardless if certain things effect you or not. I find it completely incomprehensible the lack of empathy a lot of people have. On topic - my empathy isn't restricted to UK borders and even if we did get less out of the EU than we put in (which I don't believe we do) I have no issue with supporting other EU nations.

That is astonishing. They really didn't ever grow up, did they? I don't care how they talk when joking with their mates, but the stupidity of writing shit like this on official minutes is astounding.

I'd take Government websites with a huge pinch of salt. The one in my area of work is filled with disinformation and dubious opinions stated as precedents. Be interesting for someone who knows more than myself to comment on the likelihood of these deals happening (and expected timelines) and why it will be the case.

We can disagree on everything of note, but if I don't take you at your word on your beliefs having a debate becomes a bit pointless and I might as well bow out now!

Mainly because of the discussion around reasons for them not going for an election yet. You think Corbyn is scared he wont win, I think we'll have an election called with the next couple of months. Fair enough, I assumed you supported him. I think he has a lot of blame to take much earlier in the process with his role in the Leave campaign. I don't think this at all. Bickster is a good example of someone who has been critical (and imo consistent with it) of all the sides. Just what I've assumed from reading your posts (admittedly only in the last week or so), but maybe it's me that has a skewed perspective.

Out of interest, do you attribute blame of anything to Boris? With how transparent it is, it amazes me how many people buy into his deflections. The reality is there is blame to be shared around every political body that is involved...probably apart from the EU.

...and all remainers are jobless, student, dirty hippy, snowflake, leftie types etc. Be interesting to see the leave vote areas against unemployment rates though. I also find it weird that a lot of the Brexit supporters are way too busy at work to protest, but resent immigrants for taking their jobs.

Wishful thinking. They seem outraged enough on social media already and you'd think that would translate to people on the street. I know one guy who has gone on pro-Brexit marches, but he's also regularly in London for 'Free Tommy Robinson' marches. He's one of these 'you can't say anything anymore' who lives in a small town where absolutely no one would ever have told him what he can and can't say. I'm sure he got whipped into a state by a dubious Daily Mail article about not being able to say Christmas anymore. He told me once you couldn't say Christmas in the Civil Services (while I worked for them) and refused to believe me when I told him it's nonsense. Edit: Just for clarity I'm not accusing you of being an EDL type, just went off on a tangent!

FYI, the consequences are pretty severe for surveyors involved in this type of fraud so can't see any willing to 'do a deal' with the club. At a minimum they'd lose their RICS status and no longer be able to work in the industry; worst case, you get prosecuted. https://www.egi.co.uk/news/in-depth-ian-mcgarry-fraud-case/

Assuming we got the valuations carried out by an RICS Chartered Surveyor (which we definitely would have), then if the stadium was found to be overvalued and there was a legal implication it is the surveyor that would be liable to be sued. All surveyors are required to have appropriate levels of PII for the types and magnitude of valuations they work on so their insurance would pay out. Seeing as it suggests the club had 3 valuations I'd be amazed if they didn't go relatively conservative on the value. Also the sale price to me seems reasonable for a land value and cost to rebuild at the current condition, which is how this would be valued. I still don't see they can do anything, I think they'll just end up closing the loophole. Derby is an interesting one at ~£80m, but it could just be that everyone else was cautious and they were bullish when determining the sale price.

Thanks @Rodders, definitely helpful advice. It's interesting you mention shutting down as, what I didn't mention, is I also really struggle with sleeping more than a few hours a night and that's definitely the main issue.

Agree with most of what you've said there. I think an election would come down to the finest of margins with the split votes, although if Conservatives and BP coordinated candidates they could potentially have an absolute whitewash assuming this wasn;t an obvious strategy and didn't drive away all their 'moderates'.

I definitely have an addictive personality. At the age of 27 I've had various stages including way too much binge drinking for a few years as a teenager (to the point of drinking glasses of spirits), taking too many hard drugs at uni and for a few years and after uni smoking a lot of weed. Coupled with being at different points in my life where my mental health wasn't the best and I just didn't care about much I feel very lucky to have been able to get through uni and complete the relevant training in my profession, but I appreciate I wont always be so lucky so really want to work on this. The only thing I still do on a regular basis is smoking (which I know I need to stop). Has anyone had any success in working on reducing these damaging tendencies? I know that step one is to probably work on my mental health as I am definitely someone who bottles up and no one in my life even knows this is an issue.

@LakotaDakota Hypothetically if a constituency voted Leave, but there was proof it would now support Remain would an MP then be OK to support remain? The real frustration with me in these discussions is it assumes no one has any nuance ie leave = leave whatever the cost (woooooo no deal) and remain = trying to frustrate the will of the people fif they don't support No Deal.

Maybe I've read between the lines a bit, but by mocking Corbyn for not agreeing to Boris' GE vote I assumed that you don't think Boris is going to move the date under any circumstances. I disagree and think this is giving him way too much credit.

I mean that I'd expect it to be a Labour + LD + SNP + Green majority...whether they could form a government out of that is another issure entirely. Completely agree that it's too close to call which is why I can't see there being a simple majority for any party.

Whatever you think of him...really?! I find this amazing coming from someone seemingly willing to defend all of Boris' completely transparent recent moves.

Out of interest, would you expect a Conservative majority? I'd be amazed if it happened as most people I know who are traditional Tory voters would have no interest in voting for them now, but I appreciate they've picked up new votes from various people feeling disenfranchised. I expect a hung parliament like last time, but I would not expect it to be hung in Boris' favour.

Far too large a part of my working life is spent reading through leases. Absolutely horrible things. Worst is when you get 100 pages of uneccessary circular references pointing you to different sections.

Maybe account management? My friend just moved off of their pure sales team at a software firm and is now doing account management and loving it. He says it's way more enjoyable to be dealing with people you build a relationship with and as existing customers you have a captive audience. Are you Birmingham based?

Fair enough, I imagine that's a much more enjoyable role. I'm basing it mainly on one fried who joined Selby Jennings and really struggled with the nature of the beast there. I'd also say in my experience I am much more happy to speak with inhouse recruiters as they are more willing to take no for an answer - funny what actually caring about a company reputation does! Edit On the subject of pay, apart from my one friend who was, by his own admission, terrible at it everyone I know who has lasted for a few years in recruitment has been at a minimum comfortable and some have made a fortune. So much so I was thinking of packing in my job as a chartered surveyor and working in property recruitment instead, but ended up deciding against it.