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Agent fees are part of the amortisation figure in the accounts.

Does this look the same with just Emery's games? Edit: Actually I've done it myself

Do these new Uefa rules mean there's a point at which qualifying might not be good for us? Eg. finish 7th and geting into the Conference League with our wages, amortisation and revenue where they are at now? If wages don't move and amortisation is as expected for 22/23 then the combined cost is £235M. That could easily be £20-30M above this years turnover. I'm not sure we make that up whatever additional revenue the Conference League brings (looks like Spurs got about £10M prize money in 21/22 for example). I guess they'd be actions we could take through sales and contract extensions to bring some of the cost side down. But then surely there'd also be additional costs through bonuses, transfer add ons, etc for qualifying.

There's a bunch of different buckets for both UK and international TV rights money that get distributed. Some are evenly spread across the league. Then there's a pot for league placing. Or two now I think with the international deal changes. Then there's a payment for every live UK fixture. Have seen it suggested this is just shy of £1m per game. And @CVByrne I think said earlier there might be an min and max amount payable with this.

What's the source for this? I'd seen something about the increase above previous deal being split at a ratio 1.8:1 from the top to bottom club.

We've had 14 and are scheduled for another 3, with 4 rounds on fixtures not yet assigned for broadcast. Don't think will be much different to last season. Fixtures on our wiki for the season have 17 as TV games, but I think they've missed at least Liverpool and Man City at end of the season so at least 19. Broadcast money should be more next season either way, due to the new international rights deal (I think could possibly be extra £10-15M) and also our higher league finish (as it stands around £7.5M, as it's apparently about £2.5M per league position)

Yes. Everything in NBT apart from (on conditions) the items shown a few pages back (depreciation on tangibles and non-player amortisation, youth, community and women's expenditure) counts towards FFP. My understanding is that payments to players, whether performance or sign-on bonuses, go to staff costs. I think there may be some scope for variance in terms of the timing of recognition of these.

What can we realistically expect in terms of increases in points 1 and 2? Unless we are consistently achieving point 3, to the point of being in Europe, then it doesn't feel like the gains are as significant as those that can be made from points 4-5.

Equalling worst 13 league game run of Emery's managerial career gets us another 11 points, taking us to 45 for the season.

Hasn’t yet. And their fixtures pretty much only get harder. I’ve got us finishing in a group with Chelsea, Brentford and Fulham come the end of the season, with Brighton, spurs, Newcastle and Liverpool having broken ahead. We need to at least maintain Emery’s results to date and/or hope one of the later group tanks pretty hard to get 7th.

Cash not really an issue given owners’ willingness to fund things. And FFP calc starts with profit before tax.

The 21/22 accounts state some post-balance sheet activity so these are 22/23 figures given in the notes of the 21/22 accounts. They will not be final so 22/23 will likely change. The spend seems to be the most variable of these, while things like expected amortisation and transfer income have been more accurate.

Improving his league PPG though. Was 1.756 from 659 games prior to joining us. 1.833 from 12 games since means he's now 1.757 PPG from 671 games.

Not sure. I imagine more luck than anything that I seemed to get the prior year to reconcile and I think there are too many unknowns for us to get a decent understanding of it from outside: - No definite figures for individual transfer fees - No idea on agents fees or other fees that might be capitalised on top of the above - No idea on the make up of the unrecognised conditional fees (about £51M end of 20/21) and whether any have been capitalised in 21/22 relating to previous transfers (figure went up to £60M for end of 21/22).

I reckon 22/23 for FFP could to look something like the following: Losses of £23M for the first two years would allow for £82M of adjusted losses in 23/24. Without much else changing and with no player sales we wouldn't be far off that figure. But I don't see us not selling at all and I could easily see another £10-15M of amortisation falling away without much effort, eg. end of contracts, contract renewals. So I think there's room for this summer to be big without getting into immediate trouble. I think this summer has to be reasonably big because its the last year for FFP including the Grealish contribution.

Broadcast could be a decent increase in 22/23. It's about £2.5M per place on current UK deal which looks to have been unchanged for 2022-25. Plus it looks like the international right sold for maybe a 25% increase, which I think could be an additional £10M+ on it's own. Could be talking an extra £20M here. Castore was new in 22/23. Cazoo replaced for 23/24 which I assume much be financially worthwhile given the backlash over who that sponsor is. On the flip side, I'm not sure how sustainable the £9M loan income is per season. And amortisation increases alone possibly wipe out the extra broadcast money before we get to other potential cost increases.

How much of theirs is loans? Because over £9M of ours is.

Per the accounts, expected amortisation for 22/23 on the closing 21/22 balance is £98.2M. Therefore I doubt we will see reduction from this years figure. I assume we'll have sales out bringing this down a little, but then add amortisation of new players, plus possibly some of the £60M of contingent player liabilities being capitalised. Can't see it being much different to the £98M expected - the average variance from the prior year expected figure in the last two years of accounts is +/-4%

Unlikely I think if the club are willing to spend big in summer. From FFP perspective we had a lot of room this season. For the 2022/23 calc, we've got about £67M spare from 2021 and 2022, on top of the £35M allowable for 2023. So basically £102M of allowable losses after FFP P/(L) adjustments which were about £21M in 2022. Assuming similar adjustments in 2023, we could still pass FFP in 2023 with a pre adjusted loss of around £120M in the year. For 23/24 season, assuming no change to FFP we've still got about £56M of FFP room from 21/22 accounts, which would probably allow for average pre-adjusted losses for 2023 and 2024 of about £80M per season. The above are obviously extreme examples of the limits we'll have for these seasons specifically and don't take into account what might then be required in 24/25 (basically a drastic leap in revenue through eg. european qualification or a Grealish-esque sale) but I think it shows we've definitely got room this summer to do more.

Accounts are already up on companies house. Just having a look now. Bits to add to club statement to get back to the reported profit: - Amortisation up to £82.5M - Other admin expenses up £10M on previous year before Randy Lerner payment. 19/20 was at a similar level, I'll have a look back at previous trend in a bit.

Already had.

Anyone play yahoo fantasy nba? Or any other fantasy nba game? Played the yahoo one for first time this season but just in a random public league. Wondering if there’d be enough interest to get a vt league going next season?

You get to watch the Magic tonight @sne

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