Transfer thread: Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions

[davepez]

The silly squad is definitely out now! Just face it, we are going to get linked with anyone who is potentially available to a club of our stature. I know this thread is for rumours and things, but it's getting way too deep now. Let's just wait and see what happens from June 1st hey?

That would spoil all the fun! There's me about to post that we have been linked with Ronaldinho too

This is just a guess, but I'm sure if you read back through it enough, he is coming along with Villa, Eto'o, Messi, Deco, Quaresma.

The silly squad is definitely out now! Just face it, we are going to get linked with anyone who is potentially available to a club of our stature. I know this thread is for rumours and things, but it's getting way too deep now. Let's just wait and see what happens from June 1st hey?

Hey, don't jeapordise the chances of my prediction about the thread reaching 600-700 pages being correct!

Sorry, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun :? :roll:

To put this thread in context... we were linked with Bobo Balde just after MON had signed and he said something along the lines of "Aston Villa, I wouldn't sign for a club I've never heard of!"

If we get that from a donkey like him, what would we get from the likes of the aforementiond Uberstar's de la monde???

(How many language's used badly in the last bit of that then?)

I'm hoping that one day we can realistically be linked with the worlds best players, but until then let's realistically be linked with the best of the rest.

thats the funniest thing ive read all day!!

[Tubby]

The silly squad is definitely out now! Just face it, we are going to get linked with anyone who is potentially available to a club of our stature. I know this thread is for rumours and things, but it's getting way too deep now. Let's just wait and see what happens from June 1st hey?

That would spoil all the fun! There's me about to post that we have been linked with Ronaldinho too

This is just a guess, but I'm sure if you read back through it enough, he is coming along with Villa, Eto'o, Messi, Deco, Quaresma.

The silly squad is definitely out now! Just face it, we are going to get linked with anyone who is potentially available to a club of our stature. I know this thread is for rumours and things, but it's getting way too deep now. Let's just wait and see what happens from June 1st hey?

Hey, don't jeapordise the chances of my prediction about the thread reaching 600-700 pages being correct!

Sorry, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun :? :roll:

To put this thread in context... we were linked with Bobo Balde just after MON had signed and he said something along the lines of "Aston Villa, I wouldn't sign for a club I've never heard of!"

If we get that from a donkey like him, what would we get from the likes of the aforementiond Uberstar's de la monde???

(How many language's used badly in the last bit of that then?)

I'm hoping that one day we can realistically be linked with the worlds best players, but until then let's realistically be linked with the best of the rest.

thats the funniest thing ive read all day!!

Well, it is only 1am!

[timharding]

In terms of what I'd like to see arrive at Villa, a sense of realism has to be adopted. Some of us remember being conned in to thinking we were getting Gazza, Koeman, Bergkamp and Danny Blind to name a few. In terms of our level of attraction, there are some players to whom even having big money to spend is not enough. They do not want to join a revolution, they want to slot straight into a winning side. But to me these are the top players and the TOP clubs, the one capable of WINNING the champ league not just appearing in it. And this leaves a very large pool of experienced talented players. In the Champions League teams, we would struggle in my opinion to attract the TOP players from the clubs like Milan, Inter, Barcelona, Real, Valencia, Bayern and our own illustrious English Brethren. Notice I said TOP players, this still leaves a lot of fringe players at these clubs who are still good enough to improve our side. Then there are the clubs I ommitted from the TOP list, all with CL experience year in, year out. The likes of Ajax, PSV, Benfica, Porto, Werder Bremen, Galatasaray, Lyon, Lille...........

I think five signings, 2 foreign, three domestic. Of the foreign signings one will be a glamour signing as we tend to get better value for money abroad on the players with a bigger reputation. There is then a settling in period to consider, which isn't generally as big a problem with dutch or scandinavian players. So I am left with Wesley Sneijder and Rafael Van Der Vaart. Sneijder is my favourite ofthe two due to his ability to play a more disciplined centre mid role. However, V-Der-V would slot into a role that Berger can not do forever and provide a new creative output. AsI mentioned earlier in the thread, everyone though he would go to a top team when he left Ajax, yet Hamburg got him for 6m euro's. Out of our league?

If V-Der -V were to come then I think we'd need a more defensive option for the centre of midfield, and I think Scott Parker would be the man. He can't be happy up there, he's effectively treading water! Not getting near the England squad, a change of scenary, to join a club who will certainly have a higher profile next season must surely seem appealing, especially with the MON factor.

If Sneijder is the preferred option then without the added tenacity of a Parker character I would be tempted to tighten up the back four, and I would do this with the experience and quality of Patrick Muller from Lyon. They've sold him once before, he'd be relativly cheap and he's very comfortable on the ball.

In addition I would buy Luke Young who's proven at premiership level, despite not having his best year. In fact this, in partnership with the possible relegation of Charlton, would drive the price down, and whatever we think of him, on the list of english right backs, only Neville and Richards pip him. Certainly better than Bardsley anyway. Throw in Craig Gordon from Hearts to either replace of compete with Tommy and spend the largest chunk on Bent. The only club from the top four that would have looked at bent would have been Liverpool, but with the takeover their bar has been raised so I think it will come down to the likes of Villa or a club LIKE Everton which again will bring the original price down slightly.

To finish the final three places in my second strategy I would make my second continental signing Vanden Borre for right back. Could turn out to be a dud, could turn into a superstar, but you may notice that the second list of players involve more risky signings and the first contin more wroven players. Not only could Vanden Borre do a job for us but it als make good business sense as he is certainly a player I would consider an investment. Who know's how long Randy's money will go before he expects us to self finance like Abramovich eventually hopes chelsea will(never happen!). A player like Vanden Borre would command big money if he mature as expected over the next few years. A gamble on a keeper in the shape of Carson with another striker gamble on Nugent which wouldn't actually be that big a gamble if we are planning for Gabby and Luke to step up.

Sneijder-Luke Young-Muller-Gordon-Bent Approx 24m pounds

Van Der Vaart-Vanden Borre-Parker-Carson-Nugent Approx 22m Pounds

I'd just like to say any player who doesn't appear isn't me saying they're not good enough, rather that this is my Fantasy Transfer Strategy, not my fantasy transfers, and I wanted to apply some logic rather than bandy a bunch of names around. And forgive my ignorance, but the likes of Muntari for example, I haven't seen enough of. In addition there are players in Europe like Vincent Kompany who apparently is destined to play for the Top sides, but I'd say the haven't moved for him so far have they? How about a cheeky bid? If I was to change anything from my list it would be the Keepers as whilst I would like abetter keeper/competition for Tommy I don't believe that is as high a priority as the others. However I have included them as I'm trying to gauge the climate at Villa Park at the minute. Sorry that was so long!

[OnePablo]

In terms of what I'd like to see arrive at Villa, a sense of realism has to be adopted. Some of us remember being conned in to thinking we were getting Gazza, Koeman, Bergkamp and Danny Blind to name a few. In terms of our level of attraction, there are some players to whom even having big money to spend is not enough. They do not want to join a revolution, they want to slot straight into a winning side. But to me these are the top players and the TOP clubs, the one capable of WINNING the champ league not just appearing in it. And this leaves a very large pool of experienced talented players. In the Champions League teams, we would struggle in my opinion to attract the TOP players from the clubs like Milan, Inter, Barcelona, Real, Valencia, Bayern and our own illustrious English Brethren. Notice I said TOP players, this still leaves a lot of fringe players at these clubs who are still good enough to improve our side. Then there are the clubs I ommitted from the TOP list, all with CL experience year in, year out. The likes of Ajax, PSV, Benfica, Porto, Werder Bremen, Galatasaray, Lyon, Lille...........

I think five signings, 2 foreign, three domestic. Of the foreign signings one will be a glamour signing as we tend to get better value for money abroad on the players with a bigger reputation. There is then a settling in period to consider, which isn't generally as big a problem with dutch or scandinavian players. So I am left with Wesley Sneijder and Rafael Van Der Vaart. Sneijder is my favourite ofthe two due to his ability to play a more disciplined centre mid role. However, V-Der-V would slot into a role that Berger can not do forever and provide a new creative output. AsI mentioned earlier in the thread, everyone though he would go to a top team when he left Ajax, yet Hamburg got him for 6m euro's. Out of our league?

If V-Der -V were to come then I think we'd need a more defensive option for the centre of midfield, and I think Scott Parker would be the man. He can't be happy up there, he's effectively treading water! Not getting near the England squad, a change of scenary, to join a club who will certainly have a higher profile next season must surely seem appealing, especially with the MON factor.

If Sneijder is the preferred option then without the added tenacity of a Parker character I would be tempted to tighten up the back four, and I would do this with the experience and quality of Patrick Muller from Lyon. They've sold him once before, he'd be relativly cheap and he's very comfortable on the ball.

In addition I would buy Luke Young who's proven at premiership level, despite not having his best year. In fact this, in partnership with the possible relegation of Charlton, would drive the price down, and whatever we think of him, on the list of english right backs, only Neville and Richards pip him. Certainly better than Bardsley anyway. Throw in Craig Gordon from Hearts to either replace of compete with Tommy and spend the largest chunk on Bent. The only club from the top four that would have looked at bent would have been Liverpool, but with the takeover their bar has been raised so I think it will come down to the likes of Villa or a club LIKE Everton which again will bring the original price down slightly.

To finish the final three places in my second strategy I would make my second continental signing Vanden Borre for right back. Could turn out to be a dud, could turn into a superstar, but you may notice that the second list of players involve more risky signings and the first contin more wroven players. Not only could Vanden Borre do a job for us but it als make good business sense as he is certainly a player I would consider an investment. Who know's how long Randy's money will go before he expects us to self finance like Abramovich eventually hopes chelsea will(never happen!). A player like Vanden Borre would command big money if he mature as expected over the next few years. A gamble on a keeper in the shape of Carson with another striker gamble on Nugent which wouldn't actually be that big a gamble if we are planning for Gabby and Luke to step up.

Sneijder-Luke Young-Muller-Gordon-Bent Approx 24m pounds

Van Der Vaart-Vanden Borre-Parker-Carson-Nugent Approx 22m Pounds

I'd just like to say any player who doesn't appear isn't me saying they're not good enough, rather that this is my Fantasy Transfer Strategy, not my fantasy transfers, and I wanted to apply some logic rather than bandy a bunch of names around. And forgive my ignorance, but the likes of Muntari for example, I haven't seen enough of. In addition there are players in Europe like Vincent Kompany who apparently is destined to play for the Top sides, but I'd say the haven't moved for him so far have they? How about a cheeky bid? If I was to change anything from my list it would be the Keepers as whilst I would like abetter keeper/competition for Tommy I don't believe that is as high a priority as the others. However I have included them as I'm trying to gauge the climate at Villa Park at the minute. Sorry that was so long!

I agree with Van der Vaart. In fact, I always transfer him into my 'Pro Evolution Soccer' Aston Villa team - **** awesome.

[ml1dch]

Van Der Vaart-Vanden Borre-Parker-Carson-Nugent Approx 22m Pounds

How on earth do you add up the potential values of those players and arrive at £22 million?

[ThunderPower_14]

Van Der Vaart himself would be almost 20 Million. But he would be an absolutely awesome signing. A way bigger signing than Carew, and he was an awesome signing.

[timharding]

Van Der Vaart himself would be almost 20 Million. But he would be an absolutely awesome signing. A way bigger signing than Carew, and he was an awesome signing.

Van Der Vaart 20m? No chance. His star is not as bright now as it was when he left Ajax and even then he left for 6m Euro's

[timharding]

Van Der Vaart-Vanden Borre-Parker-Carson-Nugent Approx 22m Pounds

How on earth do you add up the potential values of those players and arrive at £22 million?

Remember these are approximations but,

Van Der Vaart 7m

Vanden Borre 5m

Parker 5m

Carson 1.5m

Nugent 3.5m

[ml1dch]

Van Der Vaart 7m

Vanden Borre 5m

Parker 5m

Carson 1.5m

Nugent 3.5m

With all due respect, I think you need to look at nearly doubling all of those prospective sums. Why would Liverpool accept a bid of £1.5 million for Carson? Why would Newcastle want to let Scott Parker leave for less than they paid for him? The fees that I've heard rumoured for Nugent are closed to £7 million.

[OnePablo]

Can anyone give a summary of credible transfer speculation?

Boruc from Celtic seems fairly credible....

[dont_do_it_doug.]

His star is not as bright now as it was when he left Ajax

According to who? Hamburg are having a shite season so he's not getting much press attention, that doesn't mean he's taken a step backwards.

There is absolutely no chance Hamburg let their captain Van Der Vaart go for anything less than a substantial profit. Double that £7m estimate and you're close. Just because they signed him on the relative cheap doesn't mean they'll sell him at a cut price. We got Gareth Barry for £500k, how much is he worth to us now?

Same goes for Parker. You're looking at £8m minimum.

[ml1dch]

Can anyone give a summary of credible transfer speculation?

Boruc from Celtic seems fairly credible....

I think Boruc and Bellamy are the two names that keep jumping into view.

Plus most of West Brom's first team. Sidwell pops up now and again.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

Don't underestimate the Woodgate link. It might be a little more than idle paper talk.

That's all I'm giving you...... :wink:

[timharding]

Rumoured values are controlled by the selling club so values are always quoted higher. We said we wanted 15m for Yorke and we got 12.5m for him. (I'm skirting round the fact Gregory wanted Beckham!) And please remember, I'm saying this would be my transfer stategy, I'm not evaluating them! Within any strategy you set yourself a price you want to pay,and if the selling club want more you either raise your price or abandon the idea. This is what I'm demonstrating, MY transfer strategy. Carson has no prospect of first team football next year. You may argue he will be patient but he's been there a while now, and he may force the clubs hand if he get itchy feet. Preston may WANT 7m but who will give it to them? Bent is the closest comparible transfer when he moved to Charlton with no experience of the premiership. £3.5m was the price. Newcastle would not want to let Parker go but he might want to leave after thefruitless 2 yrs there under a poor manager. Like I said its a strategy, the kind of thing you draw up in May before the fun starts, the foundation from which to start from. Theres a few ifs and it would taking a lot of negotiation, but then thats what should be happening now we've got astute business heads in charge.

[Trinity-Tom]

Don't underestimate the Woodgate link. It might be a little more than idle paper talk.

That's all I'm giving you...... :wink:

It's not much of a link though........yet!

[timharding]

Regardless of the accuracy of valuations, and I may have been conservative, our job is to barter down, as much as their is to barter up. In that regard I've stated that I'd like Van Der Vaart at 7m. I'd like him at 10m! No one will pay 14m for him captain or not. He was captain at Ajax, and yes I know I keep banging on about it lol! I think we are applying premiership financial attitudes to continental players. Carew was valued at 4m in his deal!

[ml1dch]

I think we are applying premiership financial attitudes to continental players. Carew was valued at 4m in his deal!

But so was Baros. To whom we would have applied Premiership financial attitudes to.

[Grievemeister]

Don't underestimate the Woodgate link. It might be a little more than idle paper talk.

That's all I'm giving you...... :wink:

What are you initiating?????

[timharding]

I think we are applying premiership financial attitudes to continental players. Carew was valued at 4m in his deal!

But so was Baros. To whom we would have applied Premiership financial attitudes to.

My point exactly, we WOULD have applied Premiership financial attitudes to Baros until we were dealing with a continental club. If Chelsea had got him for 4m we'd have gone mad, yet when they're interest failed to materialise, we were left with one prospective buyer, and a european one at that, the valuation came down.

Factors in the market that affect the price are usually player form, team form and success and competition from other prosective buyers. With these factors against us, i agree we could pay double, but with all these factors in our favour?

I'll reiterate, the prices I mentioned are me in a fantasy situation, being Villa manager with the remit from the board of improving the squad whilst making sure we dont get fleeced.

[V111AFC]

--------------------Boruc--------------------

L.Young----Woodgate----Laursen------Bridge

SWP-------Parker-----V.D.Vaart-------Barry

--------------Bent----------Defoe----------------

Other players we should enquire about:

Appiah------------Reo- coker

Muntari-----------Snjeider

Koumas-----------K. Nolan

Sidwell------------D. Nugent

G. Barnes---------S. Carson

R. Keane----------Geremi

G. Heinze---------Saviola

Bellamy-----------Riquelme

In my opinion, why doesnt O-neill devise a list like this, put in offers for nearly all of them and see which is accepted etc. There is no harm in trying to sign players that are perceived in 'wanting to go to a bigger club'. There is also no harm in getting a fax through saying 'your offer is totally unnacceptable'. The players above are all 'gettable' and villa should be battling against the likes of spurs everton liverpool in acquring their signature. For we are ASTON VILLA.