tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said: But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority. newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said: But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority. newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care ... au contraire You may feel that way Tony, remind me again who posted Socialist Worker headlines? Who mentioned the Daily Mirror previously etc? The media in general is very right wing biased especially amongst the more popular newspapers. We have seen to what depths they will sink with things like the Sun (Hillsborough for example), NOTW, The Mail this week etc. That is not to say the Mirror etc are above any sort of criticism, nor should they be. But as many are pointing out and you are conveniently missing is that political influence from elements such as Murdoch, the mail proprietors etc will no doubt cause a reaction especially from those that do not subscribe to that (IMO) wrong way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said: But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority. newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care .... Or is an issue to get worked up about it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I do think this has been a big OG by the Daily Impale. It's overshadowed the Tory Conference. It's made the Impale look like the nastty, hateful, vindicative and hypocritical rag that it is. It's made many people have sympathy with Red Ed, and has given him the opportunity to stand tall and appear strong, taking on an evil foe. It's been Like Kick-Ass Vs The Green Goblin, and people love a Kick-Ass .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into Edit: Oh and it seems that Gove has given the Mail his backing !! Edited October 3, 2013 by drat01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into If that's true, someone at their HQ needs to remove that spade that they keep digging the hole with. In fact, no, let's just give them a bigger one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 drat01, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:17 PM, said: It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into was a memorial service not the funeral the Mail are still in the wrong but it's worth reporting it accurately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 drat01, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:17 PM, said: It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into was a memorial service not the funeral the Mail are still in the wrong but it's worth reporting it accurately Bloody Hell Tony - shakes head moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2013 But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority.newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care ....There must have been 96 dead left wingers at Hillsborough. And how many years did that issue take to get any form of redress? There are still people out there to this day that think Liverpool fans were responsible for those deaths due to the coverage of the media, most notably the Sun. Some probably still think that "Scousers" picked dead peoples pockets and urinated on dead bodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:24 PM, said: tonyh29, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:54 AM, said: peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said: But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority. newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care .... There must have been 96 dead left wingers at Hillsborough. And how many years did that issue take to get any form of redress? There are still people out there to this day that think Liverpool fans were responsible for those deaths due to the coverage of the media, most notably the Sun. Some probably still think that "Scousers" picked dead peoples pockets and urinated on dead bodies When was Hillsborough in this thread ? you know exactly what is being referred to here ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2013 Oops - they are apologising again ConDem has to apologise again Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt has apologised after suggesting that hooliganism played a part in the Hillsborough football disaster. Ninety-six Liverpool fans were crushed to death on 15 April 1989 at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough stadium. He praised the England fans at the 2010 World Cup saying the "terrible problems" of "Heysel and Hillsborough in the 1980s seem now to be behind us". Investigations have found that violence played no part in the tragedy. Mr Hunt was giving an interview following England's exit from the World Cup, where he applauded the behaviour of fans. Apologising afterwards, he said: "I know that fan unrest played no part in the terrible events of April 1989 and I apologise to Liverpool fans and the families of those killed and injured in the Hillsborough disaster if my comments caused any offence." 'Absolute disgrace' The Prime Minister's official spokesman has said that David Cameron has full confidence in Mr Hunt. The 96 fans died and hundreds more were injured when a crush developed in the Leppings Lane end of the Hillsborough stadium during an FA Cup semi-final match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry into the disaster, which reported in 1990, criticised senior police officers on duty at the match for a "failure of control" and recommended the introduction of all-seater stadiums. Margaret Aspinall, chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, called for a face-to-face meeting with Mr Hunt. She said: "After all these years of fighting for justice I am very angry that he has shown such ignorance of the facts. "He is an absolute disgrace." People being lifted over the stands at Hillsborough Documents relating to the tragedy are being reviewed by a panel Mrs Aspinall, who lost her 18-year-old son James in the disaster, said she would not accept Mr Hunt's apology unless she was allowed to meet him and "explain the facts". She added: "I want him to understand that he has reopened old wounds which should have healed many years ago. "The problem we have is that Hunt has influence and people listen to him. "We have fought to move forward but now - thanks to him - it feels like we have taken a step backwards." Speaking in the House of Commons, Derek Twigg - MP for Halton in Cheshire - said Mr Hunt's remarks were "a disgrace". He added that he had spoken to relatives of those who had died and they were "deeply distressed". "How can they have trust in the Government that they will see through the proper release of the Hillsborough files given that that's the view held in high parts of the Government?" He asked Home Secretary Theresa May to "urgently" meet Mr Hunt and the families of those killed to discuss the matter. Mrs May said the judicial inquiry into the disaster had been "absolutely clear" that no Liverpool supporters were to blame and she agreed to meet representatives of the families. 'Old slurs' The comment has also been criticised by former Culture Secretary Andy Burnham on his Twitter account. He said it was sad to hear a cabinet minister "echo old slurs" about the disaster. He called for "more than" an apology and for Mr Hunt to give his "full support" to the new Hillsborough Independent Panel. "Full truth and nothing less", he added. Fans heckled the Leigh MP, when he spoke at a memorial service at Anfield on the 20th anniversary of the tragedy. The Hillsborough Independent Panel is currently overseeing the release of documents not previously made public. After a two-decade fight, the authorities finally agreed to release more than 30,000 documents of evidence relating to the tragedy. You would have thought for a party that is made up of a lot of Tory party marketing they would be better at this whole thing, ah well. From this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 drat01, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:17 PM, said: It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into was a memorial service not the funeral the Mail are still in the wrong but it's worth reporting it accurately Bloody Hell Tony - shakes head moment report a story accurately and it keeps its credibility , report it falsely and it raises an issue of doubt that lets the perpetrators off the hook funerals have the body present , memorial services don't ... equally in-sensitive from the Heil ..but the use of the word funeral deliberately conjures up a sickening image of them being next to the coffin with a notebook Milliband himself in his letter used the word memorial event .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:33 PM, said: drat01, on 28 Jun 2010 - 5:20 PM, said: Oops - they are apologising again ConDem has to apologise again Quote Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt has apologised after suggesting that hooliganism played a part in the Hillsborough football disaster. Ninety-six Liverpool fans were crushed to death on 15 April 1989 at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough stadium. He praised the England fans at the 2010 World Cup saying the "terrible problems" of "Heysel and Hillsborough in the 1980s seem now to be behind us". Investigations have found that violence played no part in the tragedy. Mr Hunt was giving an interview following England's exit from the World Cup, where he applauded the behaviour of fans. Apologising afterwards, he said: "I know that fan unrest played no part in the terrible events of April 1989 and I apologise to Liverpool fans and the families of those killed and injured in the Hillsborough disaster if my comments caused any offence." 'Absolute disgrace' The Prime Minister's official spokesman has said that David Cameron has full confidence in Mr Hunt. The 96 fans died and hundreds more were injured when a crush developed in the Leppings Lane end of the Hillsborough stadium during an FA Cup semi-final match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry into the disaster, which reported in 1990, criticised senior police officers on duty at the match for a "failure of control" and recommended the introduction of all-seater stadiums. Margaret Aspinall, chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, called for a face-to-face meeting with Mr Hunt. She said: "After all these years of fighting for justice I am very angry that he has shown such ignorance of the facts. "He is an absolute disgrace." People being lifted over the stands at Hillsborough Documents relating to the tragedy are being reviewed by a panel Mrs Aspinall, who lost her 18-year-old son James in the disaster, said she would not accept Mr Hunt's apology unless she was allowed to meet him and "explain the facts". She added: "I want him to understand that he has reopened old wounds which should have healed many years ago. "The problem we have is that Hunt has influence and people listen to him. "We have fought to move forward but now - thanks to him - it feels like we have taken a step backwards." Speaking in the House of Commons, Derek Twigg - MP for Halton in Cheshire - said Mr Hunt's remarks were "a disgrace". He added that he had spoken to relatives of those who had died and they were "deeply distressed". "How can they have trust in the Government that they will see through the proper release of the Hillsborough files given that that's the view held in high parts of the Government?" He asked Home Secretary Theresa May to "urgently" meet Mr Hunt and the families of those killed to discuss the matter. Mrs May said the judicial inquiry into the disaster had been "absolutely clear" that no Liverpool supporters were to blame and she agreed to meet representatives of the families. 'Old slurs' The comment has also been criticised by former Culture Secretary Andy Burnham on his Twitter account. He said it was sad to hear a cabinet minister "echo old slurs" about the disaster. He called for "more than" an apology and for Mr Hunt to give his "full support" to the new Hillsborough Independent Panel. "Full truth and nothing less", he added. Fans heckled the Leigh MP, when he spoke at a memorial service at Anfield on the 20th anniversary of the tragedy. The Hillsborough Independent Panel is currently overseeing the release of documents not previously made public. After a two-decade fight, the authorities finally agreed to release more than 30,000 documents of evidence relating to the tragedy. You would have thought for a party that is made up of a lot of Tory party marketing they would be better at this whole thing, ah well. From this thread I hate this improved search feature on VT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 drat01, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:17 PM, said: It seems the Mail sent reporters to the funeral of Milliband's uncle on Wednesday to ask the mourners about the whole story of Milliband's father. You think they (the Mail) wont sink any deeper and they hey another trap door appears revealing another cess pit for them to sink into Edit: Oh and it seems that Gove has given the Mail his backing !! specifically to the intrusion of the memorial service ? .. do you have a link to this backing as I'd like to read it and see how he can possibly justify it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think Gove "backed" the Heil before the memorial service story broke. But Gove is connected to the Heil by virtue of his wife writing for them, so I'd expect nothing less from that toad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:44 PM, said: I think Gove "backed" the Heil before the memorial service story broke. But Gove is connected to the Heil by virtue of his wife writing for them, so I'd expect nothing less from that toad. that was what i'd thought , but it's misleading in Drat's post as it specifically links it to the memorial service invasion .. not that the majority of people reading it in this forum will care , but it is misleading none the less good to see we've moved on from sins of the father to sins of the wife though ... Edited October 3, 2013 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Anyway if people think the Mail is the only problem; Jeremy Vine is just as bad for whipping the public into a frenzy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Anyway if people think the Mail is the only problem; Jeremy Vine is just as bad for whipping the public into a frenzy... Also a bilious prick. He's the Daily Impale Radio version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2013 bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:bickster, on 03 Oct 2013 - 12:44 PM, said: I think Gove "backed" the Heil before the memorial service story broke. But Gove is connected to the Heil by virtue of his wife writing for them, so I'd expect nothing less from that toad. that was what i'd thought , but it's misleading in Drat's post as it specifically links it to the memorial service invasion .. not that the majority of people reading it in this forum will care , but it is misleading none the less good to see we've moved on from sins of the father to sins of the wife though ... And hes still claimed £237,000 from the taxpayer in public duty allowances (mind you he's in good company there at Thatch and Major hardly need it either ) For a man that won 3 elections and came in as a breath of fresh air he's got to be one of the most despised people in the country something he achieved in a very short time ... I guess due to his illegal war and his wife How much do you hate the search function now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 peterms, on 03 Oct 2013 - 11:31 AM, said: But that has nothing to do with the ability of people to gain effective redress for lies and smears printed about them, or the extreme lack of balance and fairness in the papers, or the way they are used as a battering ram to promote the interests of a tiny minority. newspapers that invent and distort stories to fit their editorial stance, whether it’s left-wing or right-wing should trouble us all. of course reading this thread one would draw the conclusion that it's only when they upset the left that anyone seems to care ... au contraire You may feel that way Tony, remind me again who posted Socialist Worker headlines? Who mentioned the Daily Mirror previously etc? The media in general is very right wing biased especially amongst the more popular newspapers. We have seen to what depths they will sink with things like the Sun (Hillsborough for example), NOTW, The Mail this week etc. That is not to say the Mirror etc are above any sort of criticism, nor should they be. But as many are pointing out and you are conveniently missing is that political influence from elements such as Murdoch, the mail proprietors etc will no doubt cause a reaction especially from those that do not subscribe to that (IMO) wrong way of thinking. I would say right wing biased, but not very right wing biased? I guess it depends on what you define as right wing, but very right wing is the BNP to me. I don’t think that any of the major newspapers support this. At the heart of it is that most papers support the editorial direction of their owners, and press barons tend to be that way inclined? But I would say that Britain as a country tends to lean more to the right than the left, even if its the centre right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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