leviramsey Posted March 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 24, 2010 Turkey and Germany in the last 4? 15 out of 32 countries (just under half) at the 2002 World Cup were European. For Europe to only have two semifinalists implies that either: * the standard of international football in Europe isn't noticeably better than it is in, say, North America or Asia * Europe underperformed As long as Europe is rivalled only by South America in terms of international football and as long as approximately half of the entrants to the World Cup are European, anything less than three semifinalists has to be considered a poor showing for Europe. Any FA Cup where fewer than two of the Sky Four make the semifinals has to be considered a down year for the Sky Four in the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted March 24, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 24, 2010 Coefficient style performance by confederation (Asia and Oceania merged since the only Oceanian representative in the period is now Asian) at 1990 and later World Cups Methodology: 16 points awarded to champion, 8 to finalist, 4 to semifinalist, 2 to quarterfinalist, 1 to eighth-finalist... points are summed and divided by the number of countries from that confederation to appear. 2006 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 5, CONCACAF: 3 UEFA: Italy (16), France (8), Germany (4), Portugal (4), Ukraine (2), England (2), Sweden (1), Switzerland (1), Netherlands (1), Spain (1) = 40/14 = 2.85 CONMEBOL: Brazil (2), Argentina (2), Ecuador (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Ghana (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: Australia (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 2002 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 4, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Paraguay (1) = 17/5 = 3.40 UEFA: Germany (8), Turkey (4), Spain (2), England (2), Ireland (1), Italy (1), Denmark (1), Belgium (1), Sweden (1) = 21/15 = 1.40 CAF: Senegal (2) = 2/5 = 0.40 CONCACAF: USA (2), Mexico (1) = 3/3 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: South Korea (4), Japan (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 1998 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 3, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (8), Argentina (2), Chile (1), Paraguay (1) = 12/5 = 2.40 UEFA: France (16), Netherlands (4), Croatia (4), Denmark (2), Italy (2), Germany (2), Yugoslavia (1), England (1), Norway (1), Romania (1) = 34/15 = 2.26 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: zero 1994 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 13, CAF: 3, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Argentina (1) = 17/4 = 4.25 UEFA: Italy (8), Sweden (4), Bulgaria (4), Romania (2), Netherlands (2), Germany (2), Spain (2), Ireland (1), Belgium (1), Switzerland (1) = 27/13 = 2.07 CONCACAF: USA (1), Mexico (1) = 2/2 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: Saudi Arabia (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 1990 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 2, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Argentina (8), Uruguay (1), Brazil (1), Colombia (1) = 11/4 = 2.75 UEFA: Germany (16), Italy (4), England (4), Ireland (2), Yugoslavia (2), Czechoslovakia (2), Romania (1), Spain (1), Netherlands (1), Belgium (1) = 34/14 = 2.42 CAF: Cameroon (2) = 2/2 = 1.00 CONCACAF: Costa Rica (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 AFC/OFC: zero (as Northern Ireland did not qualify for the knockout stage of any World Cup in the period, "Ireland" is used for brevity... likewise for East Germany vis-a-vis Germany) UEFA's performances from best to worst 2006 - 2.85 1990 - 2.42 1998 - 2.26 1994 - 2.07 2002 - 1.40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Villa talk getting too mathematical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 Coefficient style performance by confederation (Asia and Oceania merged since the only Oceanian representative in the period is now Asian) at 1990 and later World Cups Methodology: 16 points awarded to champion, 8 to finalist, 4 to semifinalist, 2 to quarterfinalist, 1 to eighth-finalist... points are summed and divided by the number of countries from that confederation to appear. 2006 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 5, CONCACAF: 3 UEFA: Italy (16), France (8), Germany (4), Portugal (4), Ukraine (2), England (2), Sweden (1), Switzerland (1), Netherlands (1), Spain (1) = 40/14 = 2.85 CONMEBOL: Brazil (2), Argentina (2), Ecuador (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Ghana (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: Australia (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 2002 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 4, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Paraguay (1) = 17/5 = 3.40 UEFA: Germany (8), Turkey (4), Spain (2), England (2), Ireland (1), Italy (1), Denmark (1), Belgium (1), Sweden (1) = 21/15 = 1.40 CAF: Senegal (2) = 2/5 = 0.40 CONCACAF: USA (2), Mexico (1) = 3/3 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: South Korea (4), Japan (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 1998 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 3, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (8), Argentina (2), Chile (1), Paraguay (1) = 12/5 = 2.40 UEFA: France (16), Netherlands (4), Croatia (4), Denmark (2), Italy (2), Germany (2), Yugoslavia (1), England (1), Norway (1), Romania (1) = 34/15 = 2.26 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: zero 1994 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 13, CAF: 3, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Argentina (1) = 17/4 = 4.25 UEFA: Italy (8), Sweden (4), Bulgaria (4), Romania (2), Netherlands (2), Germany (2), Spain (2), Ireland (1), Belgium (1), Switzerland (1) = 27/13 = 2.07 CONCACAF: USA (1), Mexico (1) = 2/2 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: Saudi Arabia (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 1990 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 2, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Argentina (8), Uruguay (1), Brazil (1), Colombia (1) = 11/4 = 2.75 UEFA: Germany (16), Italy (4), England (4), Ireland (2), Yugoslavia (2), Czechoslovakia (2), Romania (1), Spain (1), Netherlands (1), Belgium (1) = 34/14 = 2.42 CAF: Cameroon (2) = 2/2 = 1.00 CONCACAF: Costa Rica (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 AFC/OFC: zero (as Northern Ireland did not qualify for the knockout stage of any World Cup in the period, "Ireland" is used for brevity... likewise for East Germany vis-a-vis Germany) UEFA's performances from best to worst 2006 - 2.85 1990 - 2.42 1998 - 2.26 1994 - 2.07 2002 - 1.40 :bonk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Coefficient style performance by confederation (Asia and Oceania merged since the only Oceanian representative in the period is now Asian) at 1990 and later World Cups Methodology: 16 points awarded to champion, 8 to finalist, 4 to semifinalist, 2 to quarterfinalist, 1 to eighth-finalist... points are summed and divided by the number of countries from that confederation to appear. 2006 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 5, CONCACAF: 3 UEFA: Italy (16), France (8), Germany (4), Portugal (4), Ukraine (2), England (2), Sweden (1), Switzerland (1), Netherlands (1), Spain (1) = 40/14 = 2.85 CONMEBOL: Brazil (2), Argentina (2), Ecuador (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Ghana (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: Australia (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 2002 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 4, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Paraguay (1) = 17/5 = 3.40 UEFA: Germany (8), Turkey (4), Spain (2), England (2), Ireland (1), Italy (1), Denmark (1), Belgium (1), Sweden (1) = 21/15 = 1.40 CAF: Senegal (2) = 2/5 = 0.40 CONCACAF: USA (2), Mexico (1) = 3/3 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: South Korea (4), Japan (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 1998 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 15, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 3, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Brazil (8), Argentina (2), Chile (1), Paraguay (1) = 12/5 = 2.40 UEFA: France (16), Netherlands (4), Croatia (4), Denmark (2), Italy (2), Germany (2), Yugoslavia (1), England (1), Norway (1), Romania (1) = 34/15 = 2.26 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: zero 1994 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 13, CAF: 3, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Brazil (16), Argentina (1) = 17/4 = 4.25 UEFA: Italy (8), Sweden (4), Bulgaria (4), Romania (2), Netherlands (2), Germany (2), Spain (2), Ireland (1), Belgium (1), Switzerland (1) = 27/13 = 2.07 CONCACAF: USA (1), Mexico (1) = 2/2 = 1.00 AFC/OFC: Saudi Arabia (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 CAF: Nigeria (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 1990 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 2, AFC/OFC: 2, CONCACAF: 2 CONMEBOL: Argentina (8), Uruguay (1), Brazil (1), Colombia (1) = 11/4 = 2.75 UEFA: Germany (16), Italy (4), England (4), Ireland (2), Yugoslavia (2), Czechoslovakia (2), Romania (1), Spain (1), Netherlands (1), Belgium (1) = 34/14 = 2.42 CAF: Cameroon (2) = 2/2 = 1.00 CONCACAF: Costa Rica (1) = 1/2 = 0.50 AFC/OFC: zero (as Northern Ireland did not qualify for the knockout stage of any World Cup in the period, "Ireland" is used for brevity... likewise for East Germany vis-a-vis Germany) UEFA's performances from best to worst 2006 - 2.85 1990 - 2.42 1998 - 2.26 1994 - 2.07 2002 - 1.40 Ahhh, I see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 20, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2010 Another World Cup not held in Europe (in the modern World Cup era, which basically does start with Italy 1990) and it looks like we've got another batch of European underperformance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 A team from South America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claret75 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I said Spain or Brazil before the tournament and i stick by that. Brazil look the team to beat so far, despite not being at their best. I think Spain will thrash Honduras tonight and beat Chile next to go through. Argentina have started well, but if Messi is kept quiet, i see them getting beaten sooner rather than later. I fancy Denmark as dark horses and think they'll reach the quarters at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 A team from South America Chile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Xavi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.Smalljob Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 A team from South America Chile? You never know 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'm guessing I voted Spain. I think Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Another World Cup not held in Europe (in the modern World Cup era, which basically does start with Italy 1990) and it looks like we've got another batch of European underperformance. why do you consider the modern world cup era to start at 1990? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 21, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2010 Another World Cup not held in Europe (in the modern World Cup era, which basically does start with Italy 1990) and it looks like we've got another batch of European underperformance. why do you consider the modern world cup era to start at 1990? That's when it became the World Cup as opposed to the Euro-Latin American Cup With A Few Countries From Elsewhere That Don't Really Give A Shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Thats fair enough, I wasn't having a pop. My uncle considers the modern world cup era to start at 1974 because thats when the trophy changed whereas my brothers friend thinks it was as late as 1998 because thats when it became a 32 team tournament. 1990 is certainly when African teams started to make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 21, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2010 1990 was also the first time most if not all of the World Cup was shown live in most of the Far East and the USA (up until that point the final and a few knockout games on weekends would be shown); since then the sport has been on a more or less continual upward swing in those territories. It's also almost certainly the last time that more countries from the British & Irish Isles than from Asia would be represented (England, Scotland, and Ireland vs. South Korea and UAE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 27, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2010 Methodology: 16 points awarded to champion, 8 to finalist, 4 to semifinalist, 2 to quarterfinalist, 1 to eighth-finalist... points are summed and divided by the number of countries from that confederation to appear. 2006 CONMEBOL: 4, UEFA: 14, CAF: 5, AFC/OFC: 5, CONCACAF: 3 UEFA: Italy (16), France (8), Germany (4), Portugal (4), Ukraine (2), England (2), Sweden (1), Switzerland (1), Netherlands (1), Spain (1) = 40/14 = 2.85 CONMEBOL: Brazil (2), Argentina (2), Ecuador (1) = 5/4 = 1.25 CONCACAF: Mexico (1) = 1/3 = 0.33 CAF: Ghana (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 AFC/OFC: Australia (1) = 1/5 = 0.20 2010 CONMEBOL: 5, UEFA: 13, CAF: 6, AFC: 4, OFC: 1, CONCACAF: 3 CONMEBOL: Uruguay (2+), Argentina (1+), Brazil (1+), Chile (1+), Paraguay (1+), Brazil/Chile (1) = 7/5 = 1.40 UEFA: England (1+), Germany (1+), Netherlands (1+), Portugal (1+), Slovakia (1+), Spain (1+), England/Germany (1), Netherlands/Slovakia (1), Portugal/Spain (1) = 9/13 = 0.69 CONCACAF: Mexico (1+), USA (1) = 2/3 = 0.67 AFC: Japan (1+), South Korea (1) = 2/4 = 0.50 CAF: Ghana (2+) = 2/6 = 0.33 OFC: zero (italics denote cases of an intra-confederation match and thus points that will accrue to the confederation regardless of the result) UEFA's performances from best to worst 2006 - 2.85 1990 - 2.42 1998 - 2.26 1994 - 2.07 2002 - 1.40 With only three quarterfinalists (one of whom will probably play Brazil and another of whom will probably play Argentina), Europe may well fail to match the 2002 performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-dub Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 1990 was also the first time most if not all of the World Cup was shown live in most of the Far East and the USA (up until that point the final and a few knockout games on weekends would be shown) Not sure that's right. The earliest World Cup I remember was Spain 1982, and most of the games (including group stage games) were on the Spanish language UHF Channel 41 in New York (i.e., Univision, although I think it was called something else back then). Maybe this was only in the New York area and other major cities, but they definitely showed most of the games live. The same was true in Mexico '86, but the Final (Argentina-West Germany, which was one of the greatest games ever IMO) was on ABC. I remember that TNT showed some of the games in 1990, and believe it or not they actually cut away to commercials during the games; guess they just couldn't grasp the idea of a sport with no time-outs back in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted June 27, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2010 1990 was also the first time most if not all of the World Cup was shown live in most of the Far East and the USA (up until that point the final and a few knockout games on weekends would be shown) Not sure that's right. The earliest World Cup I remember was Spain 1982, and most of the games (including group stage games) were on the Spanish language UHF Channel 41 in New York (i.e., Univision, although I think it was called something else back then). Maybe this was only in the New York area and other major cities, but they definitely showed most of the games live. Should have qualified that with English-language broadcasts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcgrathsknees Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 The winners have to come from Brazil/ Holland. Our side of the draw is too hard! Us - Germany, Argies, Spain to get to final. Argies - Mexico, Us/ Germany, Spain Spain - Portugal, Paraguay, Argies/ Us/ Germany Hard games with bookings and suspensiona a cert! Only hard game on the other side of the draw is Qtrs - Holland vs Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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