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He didn’t leave one him though. he won the ball cleanly and buendia’s momentum took him into Gray. looked far worse than it was. If I thought he’d gone to leave one on him I’d say, Bamford getting one back on your cb was worse. I thought the Leeds fans saying he’s 16 was stupid, if he’s playing men’s football age doesn’t matter, But still doesn’t make Mcginn any less of a prick.

You’re talking like villa fighting for Europe last season and weren’t lucky to escape relegation the other year through Hawkeye not working. You’ve not broke the top 10 yet. You’re very much where we are

Exactly, the way I look at big clubs isn’t about the money as that just skews things. growing up in the 90’s for me spurs were nothing but a mid table team to me, but I understood they were a big club. they had a history behind them decent size stadium and big support. That’s a big club to me not who’s got the most money. same with the likes of leeds, villa everton, Newcastle spurs Man City of the time as well. Then you had the likes of man united Liverpool massive arsenal just behind Chelsea and city have now artificially inflated themselves but I still really don’t see them bigger than I did in the 90’s & even if clubs do get relegated that never changed the size of club to me, it just meant they had worse team with less money nothing else.

Ok then, we still playing this game. If we weren’t there would have been all the fuss about us being back in the premier league, whether you’ll admit it to yourself or not we are as are villa no question just a bit of a bland one.

This is very rose tinted you created 1 chance in open play which was the Watkins chance. We had 3/4 chances that worked your keeper In my opinion taking into consideration we’re not trying to be a possession team anymore we want to press you to give it away which worked 3/4 times. You might have had more ball but there wasn’t anything between the teams really. With regards to the supposed rivalry. Villa were always a meh team to me growing up big club well supported had no particular feeling one way or another with them. They were just there. Still are really. I don’t think many fans particularly care about villa either other than the midlands teams obviously we are different the whole country seems to have a problem with us. we all hate Leeds scum is sang everywhere and yes that’s at old Trafford as well for those who say it’s a one sided rivalry. I think it’s pretty much us both basically being big clubs well supported on the same trajectory for the last few years meaning we’re comparing ourselves off against each other. As for the tackle I’m not mad about yes, McGinn is a bit of prick wanting to leave one on him but it doesn’t bother me, I prefer feisty games with a bit of edge. but at the same time that’s why I didn’t like grealish or the whinging of him and dean smith and yes villa fans doing the exact same going mad over tackles on grealish that you’re taking the piss out of Leeds fans for now.

Haha not anymore!!!!!

fall from grace they are a point behind.

Depends on how you look at it in hindsight the Martinez signing looks worth it but you paid £20 million on a keeper that only played 15 games for arsenal and at 27 hadn’t played 100 games in his career most of which were in the lower league but at the time arsenal could have felt like you were paying way over the odds for a keeper that has barely played for them. But it as has worked out. just people think you’ve paid over the odds for buendia who didn’t exactly shine in the prem with norwich with white I’m certain he’ll prove to be money well spent so in the end arsenal will happy they did

Or it could be that sheff United Barely scored goals in the first season, top scorer was sharp on 6. Then they signed players like Brewster who couldn’t score goals. So those 1-0 wins in the first season became 1-0 losses in the 2nd. leeds have had no issue scoring goals this season. Even if they dried up a little next season that wouldn’t see them struggle as sheff United have

Like I said, there are plenty on this thread that are annoyed Leeds are above you so it’s not 1 sided as you’d like to convince yourselves

Haha don’t be daft if anything it’s the other way around... all we’ve heard this year is.. why is Bielsa getting praise what about the job Dean Smith is doing or we are they getting praise for losing 4-3 at anfield we beat the champions 7-2. If anything it’s your fans that have the jealous streak that we stole your thunder doing so well on our first season back after both clubs suffering lows but it’s taken you 2 years to have a good season and us 1.

no it’s a myth that we have. £27 million on Rodrigo who’s been in and out injured all season £20 on llorente who’s played 10 games. £13 million on Koch who’s been injured for 3 months £17 million on raphinha who’s played most of the time the 2 other signings were players we had on loan last season. £5 million on mesisler £16 million on Costa. so £77 million on 4 players that haven’t featured together all season. & from reading your Leeds thread most seem to think our squad is poor and we’ll go the way sheff United have next year how much have you spent in 2 years?

I appreciate some of these points but Douglas was a regular for the first half of Bielsa’s first season got injured the 2nd season he wasn’t first choice. That was either allioski or Dallas who are still playing now. mesilier was with us last season and played the last 8 games of last season berardi was injured in the final game of the season only just got fit forshaw has been injured for almost 2 years but klitch who plays the same position has been at Leeds for 4 years. I will agree on Hernandez but he’s been replaced by Rodrigo who’s been injured on and off all season so we are currently playing Tyler roberts who has been with us for 4 years as well. We brought in 2 CB’s in the summer 1 llorente has only managed 7 starts the other Koch has been injured for 3 months. So we’ve spent the season playing with ayling and either Cooper or strujk who both have been with us for years. the only signing that wasn’t here with us last season that has consistently played is raphina

& then relied on goal line technology going wrong to keep you up.

But isn’t this the argument. Bielsa got the best out of a “championship” squad and has currently 10th where as yourselves felt it necessary to spend big on the squad and smith barely kept you up. What would smith have done with your championship team?

You do realise that we were playing the same way we’d played all season and were winning until we went down 10 and were forced to play more conservative.

The Leeds system revolves around Phillips so allows him to get more involved. Phillips at 8 is basically where Henderson will play if fit so doesn’t give more creativity really but against the better sides gives more protection.

He didn’t say he didn’t care about the opposition. He wants his to team be the best he doesn’t say he wants to do it against the easiest opposition. When he was at Newell’s if teams didn’t have tapes of his team for scouting he would send them the tapes. he doesn’t hide how we play it’s always the same. If it’s not working he won’t change it. His plan B is do plan A better.

He definitely means. Why do you think he doesn’t change his style & is called “naive”. He wants to win in what his mind is the beautiful way to attack from the front. everyone knows how we play & he’s happy to say this is what we are let’s see if you can stop it. it’s the same reason he announces his lineup in the week before games. He’s nothing to hide.

Very easy and lazy comparison to make. Sheff United stayed up with their top scorer getting 6 all season. they added to it with an unproven young player in Brewster. Leeds with the way the play have plenty of goals in them due to the way they play. So they won’t struggle worrying where their next goal is coming from. Even if they don’t hit the heights of this season they’ll still create and score enough to get enough wins. Remember if they play defensicely and draw 3 games or play attacking and win 1 of 3 they still have the a same amount of points, so losing games doesn’t effect them. Attack is the best form of defence Add to that any players they bring in. defensively both centre backs we signed have been injured for months. Meaning fullbacks have been playing CB, midfielders have played at both fullbacks. That won’t be the same next season

You weren’t a promoted team in 2012 you were an under performing premier league team. Have you missed all the criticism we’ve had for being naive as well

But this is what is lost on most fans. The reason for the praise wasn’t because we lost and conceded 6. It was praise for the mentality of still going to score & not accepting that they had been soundly beaten. We could have gone there set up not to lose & lost 3/4/5-0. But we set up to try to win the game yes we got beat 6-2 but we went to win. The media either looks at it 2 ways either it’s naive & not the done thing in the top flight or it’s refreshing to see a team of “championship cloggers” go toe to toe yes get beat 6-2 but come away thinking you know we could have had 6 ourselves. It’s like this if we set up to defend in the usual way and lost 1/2-0 every week in tight games but didn’t look like scoring that is more worrying that taking it to teams creating loads of chances & winning games but being susceptible to taking hammerings every now and again. Yes the risk is worth the reward. are Leeds greater than the sum of their parts yes and that is down to Bielsa that’s why he gets the praise. This board will rate everyone of your players above ours but you’re only 3 points in front that’s because of bielsa setting up to win games & not setting up not to lose. A post earlier said ayling is a clogger so if that’s the case why are you saying they’ve only won 9 games as though it’s a bad thing.

Or on the flip side your fans don’t like the praise Bielsa & Leeds get as you feel that praise should be put on yourselves. For your triumphant return to the premier league. It clearly grates on your fans The number of posts I’ve seen saying but what about the job Dean Smith is doing whenever Bielsa gets praised. Even your ex players have done it Gabby Agbonlahor & Stan collymore to name 2.